How Long to Ingest an Earth-Size Planet?

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The discussion revolves around the time it would take for a black hole, specifically one with a mass of 100 solar masses, to ingest an Earth-sized planet. Participants explore various factors influencing this process, including tidal forces, accretion disks, and reference frames, while considering both theoretical and observational aspects of black holes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the ingestion rate of a black hole is proportional to its mass, with additional factors such as the angle and speed of the approaching object potentially affecting the dynamics.
  • Others argue that tidal forces would likely tear the Earth apart before it could be fully ingested, creating an accretion disk that would release energy and possibly eject a portion of Earth's mass away from the black hole.
  • A participant notes that a 100-solar mass black hole is relatively large compared to typical astrophysical black holes, which are often smaller, around 5-15 solar masses.
  • There is a question about the behavior of matter in the accretion disk, specifically whether it spirals into the black hole.
  • Some participants express interest in the topic of black holes and their properties, indicating a desire for more knowledgeable contributions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the characteristics of black holes and the implications of tidal forces on the ingestion process. There is no consensus on the exact time it would take for a black hole to ingest an Earth-sized planet, and multiple competing perspectives remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the dependence on various factors such as reference frames and the dynamics of accretion disks, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Take a small bh say 100 sol masses, how long would it take to ingest a Earth size planet?
 
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wolram said:
Take a small bh say 100 sol masses, how long would it take to ingest a Earth size planet?

Depends - I think black holes are hungrier in the mornings, I know I am!

On a serious note - the ingestion rate would be directly proportional to mass of the BH and I suspect the angle/inclination and speed of the approaching object may have an impact. Then again tidal forces may be so strong as to render the approach dynamics irrelevant. There is also reference frames to consider. From the reference frame of the infalling Earth mass, the time would be fairly quick, from the reference frame of a relatavistic observer you would see a different result.

However I suspect the mass would have been smashed into an accretion disk long before all of this matter is gobbled up by the hungry hole.

Any more knowledgeable posts welcome as I find a Black Hole appetite fairly interesting!
 
A 100-solar mass black hole has a Schwarzschild radius of about 300 km, a lot smaller than Earth's radius. Tidal forces would tear Earth apart as it approached the black hole, creating an accretion disc. Friction in the accretion disc would release vast amounts of energy, blowing a substantial portion of Earth's mass completely away from the interaction (to ∞ and beyond?). So the pedantic answer is forever.
 
wolram said:
Take a small bh say 100 sol masses, how long would it take to ingest a Earth size planet?
Others have answered your question, so I'll just nitpick: 100 solar masses is pretty big for an astrophysical black hole (though obviously very small for a supermassive one!). We expect most black holes that are not the nuclei of galaxies to be closer to 5-15 solar masses, give or take. I don't think 100 solar mass black holes are nonexistent, just that there are likely a heck of a lot more smaller ones out there, so that I wouldn't call that particularly small.
 
Chalnoth said:
Others have answered your question, so I'll just nitpick: 100 solar masses is pretty big for an astrophysical black hole (though obviously very small for a supermassive one!). We expect most black holes that are not the nuclei of galaxies to be closer to 5-15 solar masses, give or take. I don't think 100 solar mass black holes are nonexistent, just that there are likely a heck of a lot more smaller ones out there, so that I wouldn't call that particularly small.

If I recall correctly the lack of mid size black holes is a hot topic at the moment.
 
If the Earth gets torn apart by tidal forces and is turned into an accretion disk, what does that mean? Does that mean that the matter in the disk tumbles into the black hole in a spiral?
 
SHISHKABOB said:
If the Earth gets torn apart by tidal forces and is turned into an accretion disk, what does that mean? Does that mean that the matter in the disk tumbles into the black hole in a spiral?

Thats a fairly accurate layman description. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accretion_disc for more info.
 

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