How Long Would Nations Last Without Electricity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the potential consequences of a global electricity outage on the survival of nations, examining the societal, economic, and historical implications of such a scenario. Participants consider various factors, including urban dependency on electricity and the resilience of different regions.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • One participant speculates that individual nations might survive for varying lengths of time without electricity, suggesting that urban areas could face significant challenges within weeks, while some rural areas might endure longer due to less dependency on electric resources.
  • Another participant argues that society would begin to break down within days if the electric grid were permanently down, emphasizing the immediate impact on social functioning.
  • A historical perspective is introduced, noting that the degree of social dislocation from resource disruption correlates with local dependency on that resource, citing examples from the Roman Empire's decline.
  • One participant posits that while nations may disintegrate temporarily, they would ultimately persist in some form, attributing this resilience to human adaptability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the timeline and nature of societal breakdown in the absence of electricity. There is no consensus on how long nations could survive or the long-term implications of such a scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants' claims depend on various assumptions about societal structure, resource dependency, and historical context, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may interest those studying societal resilience, historical economic transitions, and the implications of resource dependency in modern contexts.

Alfi
Sun flare
Terror attack
pre strike because you might become my enemy in the future.
someone plugged in the toaster and the kettle one morning.

whatever. if IF Global electricity went down. And stayed down. ...

How long would individual nations survive? How Thick is the layer of society in various areas of our planet?
Large cities run on electricity. What if it were removed? Personal homes would be out of food/heat/communications/etc. How long do you wait till you start to panic.
Days? Weeks? My guess would be less than one month.

Some other 'third world' places might not notice a difference till the next dry season and wonder where the truck is. They may have a thickness of several years.

How long could you last?
 
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Society stops functioning in a temporary power outage. If the electric grid went down and people knew there were no immediate prospects for getting it back, society would start to break down in a matter of days.
 
The magnitude of social dislocation due to an interruption/destruction of an unevenly distributed/utilized resource is clearly positively correlated to the local dependency of that resource.

For example, the Germanic incursions in the early fifth century Roman Empire led to a swift contraction of a city-based market economy.
In rural areas that were closely connected to cities through market mechanisms, in that agrarian specializations were well underway (making the local farms dependent upon their livelihood from commercial interchange), the break-down of the city-system led to a swifter spiralling down of living conditions, even to beneath the level of those rural areas that had been largely self-sufficient and unintegrated in the maket economy prior to the occasioning incursions.

For example, in Northern Italy, pottery had been a commercial ware prior to the Germanic incursions; the type of substitute hand-made pottery for household use coming into being afterwards was of a very inferior quality to that household hand-made pottery already made in commercially unintegrated zones of the Roman empire (some zones of Britain, for example).

You may read Bryan Ward-Perkins' book on the varied effects on economy in the post-invasion Empire for further examples.
 
Alfi said:
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How long would individual nations survive?

Nations or societies might disintegrate but in long term they would be there (different superpowers and different national boundaries)

So, as much as they would with electricity.
Isn't it the adaptability that has helped us to reach here.
 

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