Possible Outcomes for Cis-Trans Isomers

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The discussion centers on calculating the number of possible cis-trans isomers for a compound with three C=C double bonds. The correct answer is determined to be 8, derived from the formula 23, which accounts for the two configurations (cis and trans) at each double bond. Participants clarify that the calculation involves multiplying the possibilities rather than simply adding them, akin to evaluating outcomes in a coin toss scenario.

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I chose B, because since there are 3 C=C in the compound and each C=C constituting in both cis-trans isomers. But the correct answer is C, how come there are 8?

Sorry the title should be "how many cis-trans isomers"
 
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Janiceleong26 said:
I chose B, because since there are 3 C=C in the compound and each C=C constituting in both cis-trans isomers.
So there are two possibilities at the first double bond, two possibilities at the second, and two possibilities at the third. How many possibilities in total?
 
DrClaude said:
So there are two possibilities at the first double bond, two possibilities at the second, and two possibilities at the third. How many possibilities in total?
6?
 
Janiceleong26 said:
6?
No. Think of it as a coin toss.
 
DrClaude said:
No. Think of it as a coin toss.
Well.. In a coin toss, the probability of getting either a heads or a tail is 1/2. So if we toss three times, then the total probability of getting either a heads or a tail would be (1/2)^3 , am I right?
But if we were to choose the number of ways, shouldn't it be..permutations?
 
Janiceleong26 said:
Well.. In a coin toss, the probability of getting either a heads or a tail is 1/2. So if we toss three times, then the total probability of getting either a heads or a tail would be (1/2)^3 , am I right?
Right. But you should be looking at how many possible outcomes.

You're so close that I'll give it away: you have to multiply the possibilities, so you get 23 = 8 possible outcomes:
CCC CCT CTC TCC CTT TCT TTC TTT
 
DrClaude said:
Right. But you should be looking at how many possible outcomes.

You're so close that I'll give it away: you have to multiply the possibilities, so you get 23 = 8 possible outcomes:
CCC CCT CTC TCC CTT TCT TTC TTT
I see. Thanks!
 

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