How many dimensions are needed to fully describe the electromagnetic force?

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The discussion centers on the dimensionality required to fully describe the electromagnetic (EM) force, with a consensus that Maxwell's equations operate within four dimensions. However, participants argue that additional dimensions may be necessary for a complete understanding, particularly when considering concepts like polarization and twist. The electromagnetic field is identified as a massless vector field with two independent degrees of freedom. For more complex scenarios, such as Stuckelberg theory, the dimensionality can extend to 8N or even 16 dimensions for two-body systems.

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Maxwell's equations use four dimensions. But wouldn't we need more dimensions to completely describe the EM force. I'm thinking of polarization and twist. So how many mathematical dimensions are necessary for a complete description? That is, how big do the matrices need to be and how many degrees of freedom do they have.
 
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The electromagnetic field is a massless vector field, which means that the free field has two independent physically relevant field degrees of freedom. Of course, spacetime has four dimensions. One could think about fields in higher spacetime dimensions, i.e., look for the unitary representations of the Poincare group in more than four dimensions.
 
I'm thinking of polarization and twist.
... are not twist and polarization included in Maxwell's equations? Look how they come about!

Of course, you can represent anything you like in as many dimensions as you like.
Depends what you want to do with it.

@vanhees71: I was kinda interpreting the question to be asking about the minimum number of dimensions needed to completely describe all of E-Mag. I still think that's 4 - though it is possible to do it in any number like you say.

We can also do it in less for specific situations with a lot of symmetry.
 
PatrickPowers said:
Maxwell's equations use four dimensions. But wouldn't we need more dimensions to completely describe the EM force. I'm thinking of polarization and twist. So how many mathematical dimensions are necessary for a complete description? That is, how big do the matrices need to be and how many degrees of freedom do they have.

It depends what you mean by «EM force«. If you mean the old Lorenz force, then 4D are enough. If you mean more general forces (e.g. the internal force in a two-body covariant system) then you must go beyond Maxwell and special relativity. For instance the EM forces in Stuckelberg theory are defined in a 8N dimensional phase space. For a two-body system, the force is a function in 16 dimensions.
 

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