How Many Gamma-Ray Bursts Occur in Each Galaxy?

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The discussion revolves around the frequency of gamma-ray bursts (GRBs) in galaxies, exploring their occurrence rates, the mechanisms behind them, and the characteristics of the galaxies that host them. Participants also touch on related concepts such as the types of GRBs and the implications of their origins.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant estimates that if GRBs occur once per day over 10 billion years, there would be approximately 36 GRBs per galaxy in the observable universe, given an estimated 100 billion galaxies.
  • Another participant notes that GRBs are high redshift events, suggesting they are remnants from the distant past, with hypernovae believed to be responsible for most GRBs.
  • A participant points out that the nearest suspected GRB is at a distance of over 30 Mpc, equating to about 100 million light-years.
  • There is a suggestion that while hypernovae account for many GRBs, more exotic mechanisms, such as binary neutron star mergers, may also play a role, though these events are considered rare.
  • One participant clarifies that there are two types of GRBs: long bursts and short bursts, with the hypernova model primarily explaining long bursts. They also correct a previous statement regarding the types of stars involved in hypernovae, indicating that they are massive stars rather than exclusively early universe stars.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind GRBs and their origins, with no consensus reached on the exact frequency of GRBs per galaxy or the primary causes of these events.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of GRBs and the implications of their occurrence rates. The discussion also highlights the dependence on observational data and the challenges in validating competing theories.

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GRB's occur once per day. over 10 billion years that's 3650 billion bursts (in the observable universe?). I think there are said to be around 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe so does that mean that 36 bursts occur in each galaxy?

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/astronomy/faq/part8/section-4.html

I wonder how large a galaxy has to be before it has a supermassive black hole?

I wonder how many globular clusters there are and how that compares to the number 3650 billion?
 
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GRB's are high redshift events [the nearest suspect occurred at a distance estimated at over 30 Mpc], meaning they are relics of the distant past. Scientists believe hypernova are responsible for most GRB's. They are thought to arise from enormous, pristine [little or no metallicity] Pop I stars. Such stars do not exist in the Milky Way, or other nearby galaxies [gas clouds are too heavily polluted]. The rate of occurrence is thought to be time dependent [frequency steadily decreases as universe ages].
 
30 megaparsecs is only 100 million lightyears.
 
Indeed, 30 Mpc is z~.1 which is a little too close for comfort to support the hypernova hypothesis. It is suspected more exotic mechanisms may also exist, such as binary neutron star mergers. No one is quite sure what might happen in those cases, but, they are rare events. High redshift hypernova's, however, reasonably account for the vast majority of GRB's. Cosmology is always full of surprises and outlier observations evoke a great deal of interest. Most scientists take a wait and see attitude when a rogue observation contradicts reasonably well established theories. Many explanations are possible. Unfortunately the resources necessary to validate [or invalidate] them are precious and most researchers are unwilling to gamble their grant money on hitting a home run. It's the nature of the beast. The need to conduct daring experiments is often obviated by more mainstream studies. Clever scientists find ways to squeeze exotic information from these more 'mainstream' studies - a low risk, high reward opportunity. They are fond of referring to this as serendipity [a technobable term meaning 'lucky guess'].
 
Hello Chronos and granpa,

A few comments.

There are two types of GRB's, long bursts and short bursts ( > few seconds and < few seconds respectively). The hypernova model only attempts to explain long GRB bursts. Hypernova are not necessarily stars formed early in the universe ( Chronos had a typo, he meant the early pristine stars are population II or III stars), they are just really massive stars (rapidly spinning Wolf-Rayet stars).
 

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