How many generations old is our system?

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In summary, the formation of elements heavier than hydrogen and helium through fusion requires the lifespan of a solar system. Based on the age of the universe and our solar system, there have likely been multiple generations of star formation and collapse that contributed to the elements in our system. It is believed that most of the matter in our system originated from systems in the same region of the galaxy as our sun. It is more likely that our system was formed by several interacting dust clouds rather than the coalescing of debris from a single progenitor. However, it is unlikely that Jupiter or Saturn will collect enough mass from our dying sun to become new stars. Our sun is a third generation star and the first generation stars were much more massive and short-lived.
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I understand that elements heavier than hydrogen and helium require the life span of a solar system to be created through fusion. With a rough estimate of the universe's age of 13.8 B years and our system's rough age of 4.5 B years, how many generations of star formation and collapse do we believe were required to create the elements in our system? Also related, what percentage of this matter may have originated from a single system? Or in other words, is our system a homogeneous conglomeration of the ejecta from numerous systems or is it more likely that the bulk of the matter in our system came from a single ancestor system? It would seem to be too time consuming for several systems to cast their matter to the skies and have enough matter coalesce into a system to be several generations old. I know this is getting long and multi-pronged here but lastly, when our sun becomes a red giant and casts off roughly 2/3rds of it's mass, what is the likelihood that Jupiter or Saturn may collect enough mass to approach the minimum required to form a new star?
 
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We don't have any information about long extinct stars which contributed material to the formation of our solar system.
Obviously more of the material will have come from systems located in the same general region of the galaxy as our Sun.
I think it's more likely that several interacting dust clouds led to the formation of our solar system rather than the coalescing of debris emitted by a single progenitor.
If it is the case that several dust clouds contributed, they could be of quite different ages.

As to whether Jupiter could accrete enough mass from a dying Sun to become a star itself, I'd say that's unlikely since only a small part of the material ejected by the Sun will be heading in a direction that leads it eventually to being captured by Jupiter
 
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Our sun is a third generation star, we know it based on how much metal there is in it.
Not all generations were equal, the first generation stars did not last ten billion years like our sun will, most of the early stars were monsters, they lived fasted and died young. In the early universe there was a massive amount of interstellar hydrogen so when a star got big, it sucked everything near it in, making them humungous. Humungous stars can explode in as little as a few million years.

Metal in this case isn't the same as metal in chemistry, it means anything heavier than helium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallicity
 
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The stars which generate heavy elements and spread them through space by exploding as supernovae are much more massive than our sun, typically 10-100 times as massive. The lifetime of a star is roughly proportional to 1/Mass^3. So these massive stars only live a few million to a few 10's of millions of years. So there have been many 'generations' of these massive stars since the universe began. For this reason, the material from which our sun was born likely contained ejecta from many prior supernovae.
 
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Stars in the very early universe could have been very more massive than the sun due to the lack of metallicity. They may have only lived for a handful of millions of year before spewing their metallized gut into the cosmos. IOW, what phyzguy said. The solar system probably includes remains of dozens of generations of star.
 
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1. How do we determine the age of a system in terms of generations?

The age of a system in terms of generations is determined by counting the number of times a system has reproduced itself. Each time a new generation is produced, the system is considered one generation older.

2. Is there a set number of generations that a system can reach?

No, there is no set number of generations that a system can reach. The number of generations a system can have depends on various factors such as the lifespan of the individuals within the system and the rate of reproduction.

3. Can the age of a system be accurately determined?

Yes, the age of a system can be accurately determined by tracking the number of generations and the length of time between each generation. However, this may be difficult to do for systems that have a long lifespan or slow reproduction rate.

4. Does the number of generations in a system affect its overall health?

Yes, the number of generations in a system can affect its overall health. As a system ages, it may become less resilient to changes in its environment and may experience a decrease in genetic diversity, which can impact its survival and ability to adapt.

5. Can a system be considered "too old" in terms of generations?

It is difficult to determine if a system can be considered "too old" in terms of generations. Some systems may continue to thrive and adapt even after many generations, while others may experience decline and eventual extinction. It ultimately depends on the specific system and its ability to adapt to changing conditions.

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