How might I liquefy small quantities of natural gas?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of liquefying small quantities of natural gas, specifically methane, for use in a small engine powered by Compressed Natural Gas (CNG). Participants explore methods for condensing gas into Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) for experimental purposes, considering logistical and safety challenges.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant discusses the intention to produce 1-2 liters of LNG from CNG for an experimental engine project, highlighting the challenges of sourcing LNG in small quantities.
  • Another participant suggests using liquid nitrogen as a coolant to condense methane, noting that it is readily available and could potentially freeze methane.
  • A participant acknowledges the suggestion about liquid nitrogen and expresses the need to devise a safe apparatus for the condensation process, emphasizing the importance of minimizing leakage and avoiding mechanical failures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of liquid nitrogen as a feasible method for condensing methane, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the apparatus and safety considerations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on safety concerns related to the liquefaction process and the need for a reliable apparatus, but does not resolve these issues or provide detailed technical specifications.

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Several undergraduate and graduate students and I are building a small engine powered by Compressed Natural Gas (CNG). It is a small and straightforward affair, similar to what is found in small equipment such as chainsaws and lawn mowers. I wanted to experiment with Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) as fuel storage (due to it's 600x greater density), but I obviously ran into some logistical issues. I can easily purchase CNG, but LNG is obviously not on the menu in any quantity smaller than a supertanker, for obvious reasons. But I was wondering if there is a feasible way to condense gas from a CNG container into LNG for experimental purposes (I intend to produce only 1-2 L of LNG at a time). The cost or energy economics of the liquefaction process are not important as this is just an experimental rig. And this is not paid/funded research, or even official research at all, so keeping the costs below around five thousand USD is important. If it works it will likely develop into research, but that's a bit forward in the future. I'm just wondering if there's a SMALL machine I could purchase or a simple solution I could build myself. Thanks.
 
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The boiling point of methane is above that of liquid nitrogen, so I would suggest using liquid nitrogen as a coolant to condense it. Liquid nitrogen should be readily available in fairly large quantities. ## \\ ## From what I'm seeing for the melting temperature of methane, you may even be able to freeze the methane with liquid nitrogen.
 
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The boiling point of methane is above that of liquid nitrogen, so I would suggest using liquid nitrogen as a coolant to condense it. Liquid nitrogen should be readily available in fairly large quantities. ## \\ ## From what I'm seeing for the melting temperature of methane, you may even be able to freeze the methane with liquid nitrogen.
Wow, silly me. I was just thinking of scaling down the large-scale process, but that's an obvious solution I should have thought of and it really that works great for small quantities such as those I am working with. I guess I will have to devise some sort of apparatus that can safely condense with minimum leakage (and no mechanical implosions or fractures). Thanks
 
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