How Much Does Increasing Engine Power Affect Top Speed Due to Air Drag?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between increased engine power and the resulting top speed of a car, specifically how air drag affects this relationship. The problem involves understanding the dynamics of drag force, which is proportional to the square of the speed, and how modifications to engine power influence maximum speed.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore different formulations of the drag force and power equations, questioning the notation and methods used to relate the speeds before and after the power increase. Some participants suggest simplifying the equations to eliminate power and directly relate the speeds.

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There is an active exploration of different approaches to the problem, with participants providing alternative methods for calculating the percentage increase in speed. Some participants express confusion over the elimination of variables and the calculation of percentages, while others clarify their reasoning and calculations.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the drag force is proportional to the square of the speed and that the problem requires a specific percentage increase in speed based on a defined increase in engine power.

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1. A certain car has an engine that provides a maximum power P_0. Suppose that the maximum speed of the car, v_0, is limited by a drag force proportional to the square of the speed (as in the previous part). The car engine is now modified, so that the new power P_1 is 10 percent greater than the original power (P_1=110\%P_0)

Assume the following:

* The top speed is limited by air drag.
* The magnitude of the force of air drag at these speeds is proportional to the square of the speed.

By what percentage, (v_1-v_0)/v_0, is the top speed of the car increased?




2. F_drag = C_d*Av^2
P = -C_d*Av^3




3. P_1 is proportional to v_1^2
Thus, 1.1P_o is proportional to (1 + alpha)^n * v_o^2

Divide by P_o proportional to v_o^n to obtain:

alpha = 1.1^(1/n) - 1

My answer was 4.8% and was wrong. Again, I want the percentage increase (two sig figs) in speed: (v_1 - v_o)/v_o
 
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Linus, I find the notation confusing. Could we just say F = kv^2 so
P = F*v = k*v^3.
You could then write another equation with 1.1P and some other letter for the faster velocity. It should be easy to eliminate the P between the two equations and come up with an equation relating the two v's. I get considerably less than 4.8% that way.
 
I'm sorry but I don't understand how you're eliminating P, and furthermore how you are getting to a raw percentage.

If I take P = kv_o^3
and
1.1P = kv_1^3

substitute for P in the 1.1P equation:

1.1(kv_o^3) = kv_1^3
1.1v_o^3 = v_1^3

the new speed v_1 would be cuberoot(1.1v_o^3)

?
 
P = kv^3 and 1.1P = kV^3
Put the first in the second:
1.1*kv^3 = kV^3
1.1*v^3 = V^3
V = cube root of 1.1 * v
V = 1.032*v
That is a 3.2% increase in speed.
 
Ah, I didn't realize I could take the cube root of 1.1 and v separately. thank you.
 
Ah, yes. And I didn't make it very clear, not having a cube root symbol handy. Most welcome!
 

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