How Much Force is Exerted on a Car Pulled from a Ditch?

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The problem involves calculating the force exerted on a car being pulled from a ditch using a rope. The scenario includes a driver pulling the rope sideways with a specified force while considering the distance between the car and a tree.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the original poster's use of torque in their solution attempt and question its relevance. There is also consideration of whether the car has moved as the rope is pulled or if the rope has stretched.

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Some participants have provided guidance on visualizing the problem through diagrams and vector representations of forces. There is an acknowledgment that the concept of torque may not be applicable, and the discussion is exploring the equilibrium of forces involved.

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The original poster's assumptions about the setup and the forces involved are being scrutinized, particularly regarding the movement of the car and the rope's behavior during the pulling process.

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Q) To pull a car from a ditch, the driver ties one end of a rope to the car and the other end to a tree 12.5 m away and then pulls sideways at the midpoint of the rope with a 475 N force. How much force is exerted on the car when the driver has pulled the rope 75.0 cm to one side ?
The book's answer 1990N.

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My solution assuming this is a torque issue.
Assuming> the ends are 12.5 meters apart.one end tied to the car, the other tied to the tree.
> driver is pulls the rope 75 cm from the middle 6.25meters.


So the radius = 12.5metres/2 = 6.25meters
Find Ɵ
0.12 = sin Ɵ.
Ɵ = 6.89
The torque is rFsinƟ = 6.25m ( 475N) sin6.89 = 356Nm.My solution assuming this is an equilibrium issue:

Assuming> the ropes ends are 12.5 meters apart.
> The ropes directions are one end is to the east and the other is to the west
> assuming the driver is pulling the car 75 cm west of north.
So the radius = 12.5metres/2 = 6.25meters
Find
.75metes / 6.25 meters = 0.12 = cos Ɵ.
Ɵ = 83.1
westward - The driver force on the car will be 475Ncos83.1= 57N
Northward - The driver force on the car will be 475Nsin83.1= 471N

thanks for your time!
 
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Why are you using the term 'torque'? And do you assume the vehicle has moved a little when the puller has moved the center of the rope 75cm? Or has the rope stretched?
 
Welcome to PF, charlene w! :smile:

I'm afraid torque is not applicable in this problem.

I recommend you draw a picture of the rope.
Draw vectors on it representing the 3 forces on the rope.
In particular the car and the tree have a reactive force on the rope.

For equilibrium the forces must cancel each other.
From that you can calculate the force on the car.
 
Thanks for the replies! I will give your suggestion some thought.
 

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