How quickly does a star's supernova become apparent to the naked eye?

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The discussion centers on the visibility timeline of a star's supernova event from the moment it occurs to when it becomes apparent to the naked eye, specifically within our galaxy. Participants explore the nature of brightness changes and the observational history of supernovae.

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  • One participant questions how quickly a supernova becomes visible, asking if it brightens suddenly or gradually.
  • Another participant specifies that the timescale for brightness growth and decay of a supernova is roughly days, influenced by the distance of the star.
  • A different participant shares personal observations of a supernova, noting visibility over several months and the potential for brightness variations based on proximity.
  • One participant highlights the lack of direct observations of a star going supernova, mentioning historical events like SN1987A and the detection of neutrinos prior to visible light, suggesting a possible early warning for astronomers.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the exact timeline for visibility and the observational history of supernovae. There is no consensus on how quickly a supernova becomes apparent to the naked eye, with various perspectives on the factors influencing visibility.

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Limitations include the dependence on the distance of the star and the observational challenges of witnessing a supernova event in real-time. The discussion reflects on historical observations rather than direct experience.

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Individuals interested in astrophysics, observational astronomy, and the phenomena of supernovae may find this discussion relevant.

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If a star in our night sky were to go supernova, how quickly does this become apparent to the naked eye? I know the star collapses very quickly, but what will this look like to the naked eye? Will the star suddenly become brighter within seconds or minutes, or gradually over hours or days?
 
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Within our own galaxy, that is.
 
Roughly speaking, the timescale for brightness growth and decay for a SNe is a days. Exactly how long it takes for the star to reach the naked eye threshold depends more explicitly on how far away it is, but again roughly days as an order of magnitude.
 
Well, I took a picture of a supernova in M101 in October, and then again in January, and it was plainly visible in both pictures, though it was probably about 2-3 magnitudes dimmer in January (Best guess, I never measued the magnitude, I'm just going off how bright it looked in the pics). So depending on how close the star was I'd say it could be visible for 3-6 months.
 
Ender55 said:
If a star in our night sky were to go supernova, how quickly does this become apparent to the naked eye? I know the star collapses very quickly, but what will this look like to the naked eye? Will the star suddenly become brighter within seconds or minutes, or gradually over hours or days?

That really is a little difficult to answer as no one has been observing a star at the time it has gone supernova. They have always been detected after the fact.
The last naked eye SN was SN1987A in the Large Magellanic Cloud at ~168,000 light years away. It was the first one visible for some 300 odd years which was in 1604AD and in our own Milky Way.
That was one of two major astro event hi lights of my life, it was amazing to see a bright visible star in the sky that wasn't the the night before. My mate and I did photos of the supernova and of a comet (possibly Wilson) in the same frame!
(the other major hilite was observing the impact areas of comet Shoemaker-Levy9 into Jupiter)

Wikipedia comments that a small burst of neutrinos were detected some hours before the visible light reached us. They suspect that the neutrino burst was from the core collapse and left the star well before the light of the blast shockwave reached the surface of the star from the core.

That's pretty cool and if the neutrino detector guys were really switched on they would be able to give the optical astronomy fraternity early warning that a supernova was imminent and sky scans could start.

Cheers
Dave
 

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