How realistic are the colors that we see in pictures of galaxies/nebulas?

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Vicbramwell
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Pictures
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the realism of colors seen in astronomical images of galaxies and nebulas, exploring whether these colors accurately represent what one would see with the naked eye or if they are enhanced or altered in some way. The scope includes technical aspects of astrophotography, perception of color in low light, and the methods used to capture and present these images.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that many astronomical photographs are enhanced to highlight differences in color, which may not be mentioned in popular publications.
  • It is suggested that most astronomical objects would not appear as they do in photographs to the naked eye, especially when viewed up close.
  • Reflection nebulae are described as blue and emission nebulae as red, with the caveat that one would need to be dark-adapted to perceive these colors.
  • Participants mention that our eyes are not optimized for detecting dim colors, leading to astrophotos often having increased color saturation.
  • Some images are said to show true colors, while others may use filters or arbitrary color mappings to represent features like temperature changes.
  • There is a claim that Hubble images are not true-color but rather black and white images with colors assigned to different elements, similar to how color digital cameras operate.
  • One participant shares personal experience in astrophotography, asserting that deep space objects can exhibit strong colors without enhancement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the realism of colors in astronomical images, with some asserting that certain colors are true representations while others argue that many images are enhanced or not representative of what would be seen with the naked eye. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent of enhancement and the true appearance of these celestial objects.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about color perception in low light and the definitions of "true color" in the context of astrophotography. The discussion also touches on the technical processes involved in capturing and processing astronomical images, which may not be fully resolved.

Vicbramwell
Messages
1
Reaction score
0
In pictures that we find of galaxies and nebulas there are usually very bright colors in them. For example, if you look at a picture of the horsehead nebula you typically see pink, purple, red, orange and blue. Are those a real representation of how the nebula would appear to the naked eye?

Also, if they are a real representation of how we see them... would you still be able to see those colors if you were in the nebula itself?

I know this is a weird question but I'd appreciate it if I could get an answer.
 

Attachments

  • horsehead nebula.jpg
    horsehead nebula.jpg
    36 KB · Views: 14,705
Astronomy news on Phys.org
Many astronomical photographs are enhanced to maximise the differences in colour, so as to bring out detail in greater clarity. When these are published in the general press, or even in popular science publications this enhancement is not always mentioned. Any such photographs in textbooks or journal articles will normally be so identified.
 
Unfortunately, other than stars, almost all other astronomical objects would NOT look as they do in pictures with the naked eye. Especially as you get closer or within them. Many are so faint and so widespread that unless you are taking long exposure images you will not see the color and detail.
 
Reflection nebula actually are blue and emission nebula are red, http://www.enif.com/horsehead.html . Of course even if you were inside them you'd probably have to let your eyes get dark adapted. On the flip side, some instruments take images outside of the visible spectrum, and scientists have no choice but to convert them to a visible color.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Our eyes are not optimized to detect dim colors, so at the very leasr, astrophotos have more color saturation. Otherwise, some display real colors while others use special filters and map them to arbitrary colors.
 
As Russ says ... our eyes are not particularly sensitive to colour.
Try determining any colour of an object in dim lighting. Difficult to impossible.

Many photo's do show true colour, just as many can be enhanced or even have false colours attributed to show temperature change or some other feature.

I have done a lot of astro photography over the years and I can attest to the fact that many of those deep space objects like nebulae do have strong colours

here's one example that a mate and I did some years back
this is a 30 minute exposure on Kodak 400ASA film
Prime focus 8", F5, 1000mm focal length Newtonian scope
There is absolutely NO colour enhancement ! this is as it is straight out of the camera

attachment.php?attachmentid=35158&d=1304495278.jpg


Dave
 
As dave has explained, our eyes are not especially adapted to perceiving colors in low-light situations, and we see at best grays and greens in bright nebulae. If you can accept the color sensitivity of negative film or slide film as a "reference", there are lots of examples of "real" colors out there. When I was shooting astrophotos years back, I used Fuji film at first (for its enhanced red response) and later moved on to Konika because they had developed an ISO 3200 negative film without much more noticeable grain than Kodak or Fuji at 800/1600)
 
Very nice Dave!
 
Unfortunately, there is no such thing as a true-color Hubble image. All Hubble images are actually black and white, then the individual elements in each shot are each assigned their own color.
 
  • #10
e^(i Pi)+1=0 said:
Unfortunately, there is no such thing as a true-color Hubble image. All Hubble images are actually black and white, then the individual elements in each shot are each assigned their own color.

This is as true as saying a color digital camera is not true color. The photo detectors used are ALL monochromatic no matter what device it's placed in. Color cameras have small filters of red, green, or blue over each individual pixel and then combine them digitally to make a color photo. You eye works almost the same way when gathering light.
 
  • #12
They also take separate pictures of normal, infrared, ultraviolet, xray, and radio. Then all the pictures are combined on top of each other to make extraordinary colorful pictures to make it more dramatic.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 26 ·
Replies
26
Views
6K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
4K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
3K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K