How to apply Nernst equation in this problem?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Nernst equation to a specific electrochemical problem involving redox couples, particularly focusing on the standard cell potential and the calculation of the cell's emf. Participants explore the steps taken to derive the reaction quotient and the final cell potential.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines their approach to solving the problem using the Nernst equation, detailing the steps taken to balance the redox reactions and calculate the reaction quotient.
  • Another participant expresses general agreement with the approach but does not verify all mathematical details.
  • A third participant suggests that subtracting the standard action potentials could yield the same result, but later acknowledges a correction regarding the actual values obtained.
  • A later reply clarifies that the standard states of the reactants and products necessitate the use of the Nernst equation, emphasizing that the initial subtraction method would not yield the correct answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the method of calculating the cell potential, as some participants suggest alternative approaches while others emphasize the necessity of the Nernst equation due to the non-standard states of the reactants and products.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the standard states of Au+, Cl-, and Cl2 are not met, which affects the application of the Nernst equation. There are also unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the balancing of the half-reactions.

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In the course of writing out the problem and solving it, I figured out my original question (which turned out to be caused by a mistake I made in literally the final equation in the whole solution). Therefore, this post doesn't really have a question in it at this point. It is simply my whole solution.

You construct a galvanic cell using the two half cells below

$$\mathrm{Au^+(aq)+e^-\rightarrow Au(s)}$$

$$\mathrm{Cl_2(g)+2e^-\rightarrow 2Cl^-(aq)}$$

The initial concentration of ##\mathrm{Au^+}## is 0.10M and of ##\mathrm{Cl^-}## is 0.5M.

The initial pressure of ##\mathrm{Cl_2}## is 1.50atm at ##25^\circ\text{C}##.
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Using the table below, calculate the initial voltage of the galvanic cell.
This problem is from this problem set from MIT OCW.
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Here is how I tried to solve the problem.

Looking at the table above, we see that the top-to-bottom order is from largest to smallest standard cell potential.

Since gold, ie Au, is at the top, every other redox couple on the list has the ability to reduce a ##\mathrm{Au^+(aq)/Au(s)}## redox couple, including the redox couple ##\mathrm{Cl^-/Cl_2}##.

The cell

$$\mathrm{Cl^-(aq)|Cl_2(g)||Au^+(aq)|Au(s)}\tag{1}$$

has emf equal to ##1.69V-1.3583V=0.3317\text{V}##.

It appears we can use the Nernst equation.

$$E_{\text{cell}}=E_{\text{cell}}^\circ-\frac{RT}{n_RF}\ln{Q}\tag{2}$$

At ##\mathrm{298.15K}## we have that ##RT/F=0.025693\text{V}## and so

$$E_{cell}=E^\circ_{cell}-\frac{0.025693\text{V}}{n_r}\ln{Q}\tag{3}$$

So what is ##Q##?

It is the reaction quotient. But what is the reaction?

It seems we have the skeleton equation

$$\mathrm{2Cl^-(aq)+Au^+(aq)\rightarrow Cl_2(g)+Au(s)}\tag{4}$$

and (I am guessing) we need to balance it using a procedure I learned recently which includes the following intermediate steps

Balanced oxidation half-reaction:

$$\mathrm{Au^+(aq)+e^-\rightarrow Au(s)}\tag{5}$$

Balanced reduction half-reaction

$$\mathrm{2Cl^-(aq)\rightarrow Cl_2(g)+2e^-}\tag{6}$$

We multiple (5) by 2 and sum the result with (6) to get

$$\mathrm{2Au^+(aq)+2Cl^-(aq)\rightarrow Cl_2(g)+2Au(s)}\tag{7}$$

and the reaction quotient for this chemical reaction seems to be

$$Q=\mathrm{\frac{P_{Cl_2}}{[Au^+]^2[Cl^-]^2}}$$

Using the values given in the problem we find that

$$Q=\frac{1.52}{0.1^20.5^2}=607.95$$

Therefore

$$E_{cell}=0.3317\text{V}-\frac{0.025693\text{V}}{2}\ln{(607.95)}=0.25\text{V}\tag{8}$$

This matches the answer given on MIT OCW.

The first time I wrote this post, I made a mistake in equation (8). Instead of using ##n_r=2## I used ##n_r=1## and got an incorrect result.

Now that I have made this correct, I don't really have a question. I believe the steps above are all correct now.
 
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I haven't checked all the maths, but that looks like the correct approach to the problem.
 
This is a case of you can subtract the Standard Action Potential's of the two and get the same result. :oldwink:

EDIT: Oops! See the following post by @Borek for the correction.
 
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Tom.G said:
This is a case of you can subtract the Standard Action Potential's of the two and get the same result. :oldwink:
Nope, you would get 0.34 V and the answer is 0.25 V.

Neither Au+, Cl- nor Cl2 are in the standard state, so the Nernst equation is a must (even if it is just a plug and chug kind of problem).
 
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