How to Calculate Initial Concentrations of HOA and BCG?

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The discussion centers around calculating the initial concentrations of HOA (likely acetic acid) and BCG (Bromocresol Green) in a solution. Participants explore the equations and methods for determining these concentrations, touching on the importance of unit clarity in calculations.

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  • One participant presents equations to calculate the initial concentrations of HOA and BCG but does not provide a clear explanation of their approach.
  • Another participant criticizes the lack of clarity in the initial post and suggests that the equations presented are not adequately explained.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of keeping track of units in calculations, advocating for a detailed approach to unit representation, such as using "mol/L" instead of "M" and distinguishing between different types of measurements (e.g., concentrated vs. diluted solutions).
  • There is a query about the identity of BCG, with one participant suggesting it is Bromocresol Green based on a link to a Wikipedia page.

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Participants express differing views on the clarity and presentation of the calculations. There is no consensus on the best method for calculating the concentrations or on the interpretation of the initial equations.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity in unit usage and the potential confusion arising from different types of measurements, but do not resolve the specific calculations or methods discussed.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in chemistry calculations, particularly those focused on concentration determinations and the importance of unit management in mathematical reasoning.

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Homework Statement
calculate the initial concentration of HOAc and BCG in the HOAc stock solution. DOnt account for dissociation only dilution.

Given Info: Add 5 mL of 3.9 x 10^-4 M BCG and 25 mL of 1.000 M acetic acid into a flask. Dilute to a volume of 100 mL. This is the stock solution.
Relevant Equations
m1v1=m2v2
(1)(25)=(x)(5) and x=5 (initial concentration of HOA)
(x)(5)=(.200)(5) and x= 0.2 (initial concentration of BCG)
 
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And? You clearly wrote what the problem is, but then you just wrote two random equations not even trying to explain what you are doing.
 
You can reduce your confusion by writing things a certain way and allowing your units to guide you. Note by "units" I don't just mean "SI units"; I mean a complete description of what you are actually measuring.
  • M is an endless font of confusion, a useless and unnecessary pretension. Write it as mol/L at every opportunity.
  • The dilute solution and concentrated solution are two different things - a mL of one is not the same as a mL of the other. So write these as "mL conc" and "mL dil" to keep track of which mL you are working with. Feel free to make up and write out any other "unit adjectives" to keep track of things you need as you go on - a mole of O is not a mole of O2, for example.
  • Note that mol/L dil and mol/L conc. are now trackable as two different types of units also.
  • ALWAYS keep your units in your calculations. It's perfectly fine to do a computation with all the units specified and just blanks for the numbers - that can show you you will get the right answer before you calculate. But never have the numbers specified and not the units!
  • When solving for a ratio of two units (conversion factor) it is probably less confusing to figure each out separately.
I prefer to start by figuring out the units I need, then show how to get those by conversion factors and given data:

NEED: ? mol HOAc/mL dil

? mol HOAc = ( ___ mol HOAc / ___ mL conc) * ( ___ mL conc)

? mL dil = ...

Note ( ___ mol HOAc / ___ mL conc) is a conversion factor. That means it is equal to one; whenever you have so many moles, you have so many mL. If needed, you can split it up into a conversion factor it is more obvious you were given, and a metric conversion factor:

( ___ mol HOAc / ___ mL conc) = ( ___ mol HOAc / ___ L conc) * (____ L conc / ____ mL conc)

Observe that any multiplication of two conversion factors into one is a deduction, however elementary, and duplicates something you would think in your mind or in a separate calculation. Writing this makes the top line a bit longer, but you don't have to work the L to mL conversion factor in your head if that is still giving you even a moment's pause. (It shouldn't be, but it doesn't hurt to be cautious and explicit if there's any risk of getting mixed up)
 
I'm wondering what BCG might be.
 

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