How to calculate the stiffness of an arch?

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The discussion revolves around modeling the stiffness of an arch structure that will experience a load at its vertex. Participants explore various approaches to estimate stiffness, including considerations of geometry, support conditions, and material properties. The conversation includes elements of solid mechanics and structural analysis, with a focus on obtaining a first-order estimate rather than a detailed finite element analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a method to model the stiffness of an arch under a vertex load, expressing uncertainty about the applicability of solid mechanics equations and finite element software.
  • Another participant notes that the strength and stiffness of an arch depend on its abutments and mentions the lack of a closed-form solution for arch analysis compared to beam analysis.
  • A participant shares a sketch of their design and acknowledges the complexity of the geometry, indicating a desire for a first-order estimate while learning to use COMSOL software.
  • Questions arise about whether the structure is a true arch or a curved beam, with a participant suggesting references for curved beams and correction factors for beam analysis.
  • One participant describes their intended support conditions, highlighting the differences between a simply supported beam and their proposed constraints, and inquires about the relevance of the second moment of area for stiffness calculations.
  • Another participant proposes using the formula P/delta = (48*E*I)/L^3 for beam stiffness, indicating a need to determine the second moment of area.
  • A later reply emphasizes the distinction between an arch as a compression structure and a restrained beam, providing a different formula for beam stiffness under a central load and suggesting that the curvature correction factor will be close to unity for a nearly flat beam.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of the structure as an arch versus a curved beam, leading to various interpretations of how to approach the stiffness modeling. There is no consensus on the best method or formula to use for the analysis.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of the geometry and the limitations of existing solid mechanics analysis for their specific case. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about support conditions and the applicability of different formulas.

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Individuals interested in structural engineering, particularly those working with arches or curved beams, may find the discussion relevant. It may also benefit those seeking to understand the application of stiffness modeling in practical design scenarios.

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Hi all,

I'm trying to design an arch for a project (will be about 4" long). This arch will be experiencing a load on its vertex, and I need to make sure that the arch will not deform very much.

What is a good way to model the stiffness of an arch like this? As far as I know, there is no fundamental solid mechanics equations that I can use for this, and I don't know how to use any finite elements software very well.

Any tips on how to model this?

Thanks.

Edit: Link to sketch of arch. I'm looking for the simplest first-order estimate that would be more accurate than modeling it as just a square simply supported beam.
 
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The strength and stiffness of an arch depends upon the strength and stiffness of its abutments.

Arch analysis does not have a closed form solution, like beam analysis.

So you will need to provide more information for more help - there is nothing like a good sketch.
 
Here is a general sketch of how I was planning on designing the beam.

The dimensions are not set in stone, and I realize the current geometry is far too complicated to model mathematically. I'm trying to learn how to use COMSOL, but until then I'd like at least a first-order estimate.

Thank you.http://yfrog.com/nabeamsketchrev01ap

Picture: http://yfrog.com/nabeamsketchrev01ap
 
Is this a beam with a curved soffit or is it an arch?

In other words how is is supported?

On the 0.5 x 0.25 pads on the bottom at the ends?

If it is really just a curved beam there are some references for curved beams here

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=2788414

You could apply the Wilson and Quereau correction factors to a standard beam analysis.
 
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I'd like to model it as a 2-dimensional analysis if possible. If that's possible, one end is going to be constrained in all axes (x and y, as well as moments about x and y). The other end will be constrained in only the y-direction, but the moments will be constrained in both directions simply due to the geometry I chose (flat surface instead of a "pin").

All of the analysis in my solid mechanics book that I found shows "simply supported" beams (one end is a "pin" connection that constrains movement translationally, but does not provide reactionary moments. the other end is a "roller" which constrains movement translationally in only the y-direction).

Also, would estimating the second moment of area be useful here?

Bottom line: I'm looking for a simple first-order approximation of beam stiffness. How would I calculate the stiffness of an arch with a rectangular cross-section? I feel like that would be the place to start.
 
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So what I think I'm going to do is try to find the second moment of area and plug it into the equation: P/delta = (48*E*I)/L^3

Where P/delta would be the stiffness. Now I just need to figure out how to find the second moment of area easily.
 
It would help yourself and others enormously if you revised your terminology.

An arch is a compression structure that does not carry moment.
It converts a horizontal load to horizontal and vertical force reactions at its abutments. Because there are both reactions at both abutments it is statically indeterminate.

But, from what you have said, you are considering a restrained or constrained (curved) beam.
This has vertical reactions and moments at its abutments, but not horizontal ones.

The appropriate formula for such a beam with a single central load is

[tex]\frac{P}{\delta } = \frac{{192EI}}{{{L^3}}}[/tex]

You should look this up if you do not know it.

Your beam is quite close to flat so the correction factor, K for the curvature will be close to unity.
 

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