How to confirm the function has genus 116?

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The discussion centers on confirming the genus of a function defined implicitly by a polynomial equation in two variables, ##f(z,w)=0##. Participants explore methods to calculate the genus, including the use of specific software tools like Maple and Magma.

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  • One participant asserts that the function has genus 116 and seeks independent confirmation of this claim.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the meaning of "genus 116," suggesting that it refers to a Riemann surface with 116 holes.
  • A third participant provides Magma code to compute the genus, indicating that it takes 60 seconds to run and confirms the genus as 116.
  • The output from Magma is shared, detailing the curve defined by the polynomial and reiterating the genus result.

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There is no consensus on the methods for confirming the genus, as participants discuss different software options and interpretations of the genus concept. However, the output from Magma supports the initial claim of genus 116.

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Participants do not address potential limitations or assumptions in the calculations or definitions used in the genus determination.

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I believe the function ##w(z)## defined implicitly below has genus 116. Is there a means of independently confirming this? I believe the software Maple has a genus calculation but I don't have Maple. Is Maple the only other option?

Thanks.

$$
\begin{align*}
f(z,w)&=(8 z-4 z^2+5 z^7-4 z^{10}+4 z^{11}-8 z^{12})\\
&+(-7+6 z-5 z^2+8 z^5-9 z^7+2 z^{12})w\\
&+(-5 z^4-3 z^{10})w^2\\
&+(8-9 z+3 z^3+3 z^5+8 z^8+4 z^{12})w^3\\
&+(7-8 z^3+6 z^7+4 z^{10}-4 z^{11})w^4\\
&+(-4 z+6 z^4+6 z^5+9 z^6+6 z^9+9 z^{11}-7 z^{12})w^5\\
&+(-2+8 z-3 z^3-5 z^4+z^6+9 z^7+5 z^{11})w^6\\
&+(3 z^3+9 z^5+5 z^6+9 z^8)w^7\\
&+(8+2 z^2+3 z^7+8 z^8-2 z^{11}+7 z^{12})w^8\\
&+(z-2 z^3-2 z^4+7 z^5-6 z^9)w^9\\
&+(9 z-9 z^2+z^4+z^6+9 z^8-7 z^9-7 z^{11})w^{10}\\
&+(-4-3 z^2+3 z^3+z^5+3 z^6+7 z^8)w^{11}\\
&+(-8 z+z^4)w^{12}=0
\end{align*}
$$
 
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Hi. Can you clarify what "genus 116" means?
 
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Math_QED said:
Hi. Can you clarify what "genus 116" means?

The normal Riemann surface for ##w(z)## is a donut with 116 holes.
 
Here is Magma code to compute the genus:
Code:
> k := Rationals();
> A<z,w> := AffineSpace(k,2);
> A;
> C := Curve(A,(8* z-4* z^2+5* z^7-4* z^10+4* z^11-8* z^12)
+(-7+6* z-5* z^2+8* z^5-9* z^7+2* z^12)*w
+(-5* z^4-3* z^10)*w^2+(8-9* z+3* z^3+3* z^5+8* z^8+4* z^12)*w^3+
(7-8* z^3+6* z^7+4* z^10-4* z^11)*w^4
+(-4* z+6* z^4+6* z^5+9* z^6+6* z^9+9* z^11-7* z^12)*w^5
+(-2+8* z-3* z^3-5* z^4+z^6+9* z^7+5* z^11)*w^6
+(3* z^3+9* z^5+5* z^6+9* z^8)*w^7
+(8+2* z^2+3* z^7+8* z^8-2* z^11+7* z^12)*w^8
+(z-2* z^3-2* z^4+7* z^5-6* z^9)*w^9
+(9* z-9* z^2+z^4+z^6+9* z^8-7* z^9-7* z^11)*w^10
+(-4-3* z^2+3* z^3+z^5+3* z^6+7* z^8)*w^11
+(-8* z+z^4)*w^12);
> C;
>Genus(C);

Magma takes 60 seconds and reports the following:

Code:
Affine Space of dimension 2 over Rational Field
Variables: z, w
Curve over Rational Field defined by
7*z^12*w^8 - 7*z^12*w^5 + 4*z^12*w^3 + 2*z^12*w - 8*z^12 - 7*z^11*w^10 -
    2*z^11*w^8 + 5*z^11*w^6 + 9*z^11*w^5 - 4*z^11*w^4 + 4*z^11 + 4*z^10*w^4 -
    3*z^10*w^2 - 4*z^10 - 7*z^9*w^10 - 6*z^9*w^9 + 6*z^9*w^5 + 7*z^8*w^11 +
    9*z^8*w^10 + 8*z^8*w^8 + 9*z^8*w^7 + 8*z^8*w^3 + 3*z^7*w^8 + 9*z^7*w^6 +
    6*z^7*w^4 - 9*z^7*w + 5*z^7 + 3*z^6*w^11 + z^6*w^10 + 5*z^6*w^7 + z^6*w^6 +
    9*z^6*w^5 + z^5*w^11 + 7*z^5*w^9 + 9*z^5*w^7 + 6*z^5*w^5 + 3*z^5*w^3 +
    8*z^5*w + z^4*w^12 + z^4*w^10 - 2*z^4*w^9 - 5*z^4*w^6 + 6*z^4*w^5 -
    5*z^4*w^2 + 3*z^3*w^11 - 2*z^3*w^9 + 3*z^3*w^7 - 3*z^3*w^6 - 8*z^3*w^4 +
    3*z^3*w^3 - 3*z^2*w^11 - 9*z^2*w^10 + 2*z^2*w^8 - 5*z^2*w - 4*z^2 - 8*z*w^12
    + 9*z*w^10 + z*w^9 + 8*z*w^6 - 4*z*w^5 - 9*z*w^3 + 6*z*w + 8*z - 4*w^11 +
    8*w^8 - 2*w^6 + 7*w^4 + 8*w^3 - 7*w
116
 
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