How to Define a Piecewise Function Without Absolute Value Bars?

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The discussion revolves around defining the piecewise function for \( f(x) = |x^2 - 1| \) without using absolute value bars. Participants explore the conditions under which the function is negative or non-negative, and how to express this in piecewise form.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for clarification on the core function, questioning whether it is the absolute value function or the squaring function.
  • Another participant provides a definition of absolute value and suggests determining where \( f(x) = x^2 - 1 \) is negative or non-negative.
  • Multiple piecewise definitions are proposed, with one participant suggesting two different forms for \( f(x) \) based on the intervals of \( x \).
  • Some participants agree that one of the proposed definitions is correct, while others challenge the correctness of the first definition based on the behavior of the function in different intervals.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of including special cases for when the expression equals zero and differentiating between negative and non-negative values.
  • A participant proposes adding conditions to their first answer to include \( x > 1 \) and seeks feedback on its correctness.
  • Another participant acknowledges the revised piecewise function as correct but notes it may not be the most efficient representation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the initial piecewise definitions, with some supporting one version and others suggesting corrections. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most efficient way to express the function.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need to clarify conditions for specific values, such as when \( x = -1 \) or \( x = 1 \), and the distinction between negative and non-negative outputs. There is also an emphasis on the efficiency of the piecewise representation.

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Define the function piecewise without absolute value bars

f(x)=|x^2-1| - what is the core or prevailing function here? is it the absolute value function or the squaring?

please solve this. and show the steps. thanks!
 
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Re: define the function...

I would use the definition:

$$|x|\equiv\begin{cases}-x & x<0\\ x & 0\le x \\ \end{cases}$$

So, what you want to find, is where the function $$f(x)=x^2-1$$ is negative, and where is it non-negative.
 
Re: define the function...

MarkFL said:
I would use the definition:

$$|x|\equiv\begin{cases}-x & x<0\\ x & 0\le x \\ \end{cases}$$

So, what you want to find, is where the function $$f(x)=x^2-1$$ is negative, and where is it non-negative.

i have two answers

f(x) = {x^2-1 , if x<-1
...{0 , if x=-1 or x=1
...{1-x^2, if -1<x<1

or

f(x) = {x^2-1 , if x<=-1
...{1-x^2, if -1<x<1
...{x^2-1, if x>=1

are they both correct?
 
Re: define the function...

The second one is correct...do you see why the first is not?

The function $f(x)=x^2-1$ is negative on $(-1,1)$, otherwise is is non-negative, so another way we could define $|f(x)|$ is:

$$|f(x)|=\begin{cases}1-x^2 & |x|<1 \\ x^2-1 & 1\le|x| \\ \end{cases}$$
 
Re: define the function...

MarkFL said:
The second one is correct...do you see why the first is not?

The function $f(x)=x^2-1$ is negative on $(-1,1)$, otherwise is is non-negative, so another way we could define $|f(x)|$ is:

$$|f(x)|=\begin{cases}1-x^2 & |x|<1 \\ x^2-1 & 1\le|x| \\ \end{cases}$$

i based my first answer on this definition of abs. value function.

|x|= { x, if x>0
...{ 0, if x=0
...{ -x, if x<0
 
Re: define the function...

You left out $1\le x$. Also, we really don't see special cases for when the expression is equal to zero, we just need to differentiate between negative and non-negative.
 
Re: define the function...

MarkFL said:
You left out $1\le x$. Also, we really don't see special cases for when the expression is equal to zero, we just need to differentiate between negative and non-negative.

oh i see. but what if i add that x>1 to my first answer?

f(x) = {x^2-1 , if x<-1
...{0 , if x=-1 or x=1
...{1-x^2, if -1<x<1
...{x^2-1, if x>1

would this be correct? I just want to explore on the different possible answers. please bear with me.
 
Re: define the function...

Yes, that would be correct, albeit not the most efficient piecewise statement of the function though.
 

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