How to Derive Christoffel Symbols for a Given Metric in General Relativity?

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This discussion revolves around deriving the Christoffel symbols for a specific metric in General Relativity. The metric provided is ds^2 = (1+gx)^2 dt^2 - dx^2 - dy^2 - dz^2, and the original poster is attempting to find the non-vanishing Christoffel symbols associated with it.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use the Lagrangian method to derive the Christoffel symbols and expresses confusion regarding the calculation of specific symbols, particularly \Gamma^0 _1 _0. Some participants suggest using a well-known formula for calculating Christoffel symbols directly from the metric, while others explore the implications of the Lagrangian approach.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with different methods to derive the Christoffel symbols. Some have provided guidance on using the formula for Christoffel symbols, while others are sharing their attempts and questioning discrepancies in their results. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the Lagrangian method and the derived symbols.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discrepancy in the results obtained by some participants when using the Lagrangian method, specifically regarding a factor of 2 in the calculation of \Gamma^0 _1 _0. This raises questions about the assumptions and methods used in the derivation process.

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Homework Statement



This is a problem in General Relativity, where I am trying to find the Christoffel symbols that correspond to a given metric. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

OK. I have been given the metric

[tex] <br /> ds^2 = (1+gx)^2 dt^2 - dx^2 - dy^2 - dz^2<br /> [/tex]

and have been told to show that the non-vanishing Christoffel symbols are given by

[tex] <br /> \Gamma^1 _0 _0 = g(1+gx)<br /> [/tex]

and

[tex] <br /> \Gamma^0 _1 _0 = \Gamma^0 _0 _1 = \frac{g}{(1+gx)}<br /> [/tex]

I can get the first out OK but I'm not getting how to get the second.


The Attempt at a Solution




So I wrote the Lagrangian out for the metric:

[tex] <br /> L\left(\frac{dx^\alpha}{d\sigma},x^\alpha\right) = - (1+gx)^2\frac{dt}{d\sigma}^2 +\frac{dx}{d\sigma}^2+\frac{dy}{d\sigma}^2+\frac{dz}{d\sigma}^2<br /> [/tex]

which, after a little substitution work getting taus instead of sigmas, basically gives us the following equation:

[tex] <br /> \frac{d^2x}{d\tau^2} = -\frac{1}{2} . 2(1+gx).g \frac{dt}{d\tau}^2<br /> [/tex]

...and comparing this to the definition of a C-symbol

[tex] \frac{d^2 x^\alpha}{d\tau^2} = -\Gamma ^\alpha _\beta _\gamma \frac{dx^\beta} {d\tau} \frac{dx^\gamma}{d\tau}[/tex]

...it is pretty easy to see that

[tex] <br /> \Gamma^1 _0 _0 = g(1+gx)<br /> [/tex]

However, I can't understand how to get the [tex]\Gamma^0 _1 _0 = \frac{g}{(1+gx)}[/tex] one out.

[tex]\Gamma^0 _1 _0[/tex] would mean that we were looking for the C-symbols in equations of the form...

[tex] \frac{d^2 x^0}{d\tau^2} = -\Gamma^0 _1_0 \frac{dx^1} {d\tau} \frac{dx^0}{d\tau}[/tex]

...yes?

I don't see any way of comparing that to the Lagrangian to find the C-symbol [tex]\Gamma^0 _1 _0 = \Gamma^0 _0 _1 = \frac{g}{(1+gx)}[/tex]

Any help? Have I made a complete meal out of this?! Thanks for your time...
 
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There is a well-known formula that allows you to calculate them directly:
[tex]\Gamma^i {}_{k\ell}=\frac{1}{2}g^{im} \left(\frac{\partial g_{mk}}{\partial x^\ell} + \frac{\partial g_{m\ell}}{\partial x^k} - \frac{\partial g_{k\ell}}{\partial x^m} \right)[/tex]
where [itex]g_{ij}[/itex] can simply be read off and [itex]g^{ij}[/itex] are the coefficients of the inverse metric.

For the proof, you can refer to most GR or differential geometry texts.
Note that when you write it as
[tex]\Gamma^{\rho}_{\mu\nu} = \frac12 g^{\rho\sigma}\left( \partial_\nu g_{\sigma\mu} + \partial_\mu g_{\nu\sigma} - \partial_\sigma g_{\mu\nu} \right)[/tex]
it's relatively easy to remember: there is only one upper index which goes in the inverse metric with a dummy variable, and then you cyclically permute the indices where the "canonical" order [itex]\sigma\mu\nu[/itex] has an opposite sign.
 
Thanks very much for your help!

Much appreciated.
 
Astrofiend said:
I don't see any way of comparing that to the Lagrangian to find the C-symbol [tex]\Gamma^0 _1 _0 = \Gamma^0 _0 _1 = \frac{g}{(1+gx)}[/tex]

For simple metrics like this, I quite like the Lagrangian method. You have used

[tex] \frac{\partial L}{\partial x} = \frac{d}{d \tau} \frac{\partial L}{\partial \frac{d x}{d \tau}}.[/tex]

Now use

[tex] \frac{\partial L}{\partial t} = \frac{d}{d \tau} \frac{\partial L}{\partial \frac{d t}{d \tau}},[/tex]

and differentiate with respect to [itex]\tau[/itex] the equation that you get.
 
Oops, I didn't mean to say
George Jones said:
and differentiate with respect to [itex]\tau[/itex] the equation that you get.
 
Thanks a lot George - I appreciate the reply! I've now pushed through with both methods and they both work... funnily enough!
 
Why is it that when I try to solve it using the Lagrangian, my answer is off by a factor of 2 for the c-symbol [tex]\Gamma^0_{10}[/tex]
Lagrange's equation for [tex]x^0[/tex] time component is
[tex]-\frac{d}{d\sigma}(\frac{\partial L}{\partial(\frac{\partial x^0}{\partial\sigma})})+\frac{\partial L}{\partial x^0}=0[/tex]
where [tex]\frac{\partial L}{\partial x^0}=0[/tex] and [tex]\frac{\partial L}{\partial(\frac{\partial x^0}{\partial\sigma})}=\frac{1}{2}\frac{1}{L}(-2(1+gx^1)^2\frac{dx^0}{d\sigma}) =- \frac{1}{L}(1+gx^1)^2\frac{dx^0}{d\sigma}[/tex] as the Lagrangian [tex]L=\frac{d\tau}{d\sigma}[/tex], we can sub this in and also divide by L to convert the sigma's to tau's.
=>[tex]\frac{d}{d\tau}(\frac{d\sigma}{d\tau}(1+gx^1)^2\frac{dx^0}{d\sigma})=0[/tex]
=>[tex]\frac{d}{d\tau}((1+gx^1)^2\frac{dx^0}{d\tau})=0[/tex]
=>[tex]\frac{d}{d\tau}((1+gx^1)^2)\frac{dx^0}{d\tau}+(1+gx^1)^2\frac{d}{d\tau}(\frac{dx^0}{d\tau})=0[/tex]
=>[tex]\frac{d^2x^0}{d\tau^2}=-\frac{2g}{1+gx^1}\frac{dx^1}{d\tau}\frac{dx^0}{d\tau}[/tex]
so this shows [tex]\Gamma^0_{10}=\frac{2g}{1+gx^1}[/tex]
So why do I have an extra factor of 2? T_T
 
Qyzren said:
Why is it that when I try to solve it using the Lagrangian, my answer is off by a factor of 2 for the c-symbol [tex]\Gamma^0_{10}[/tex]

Because the EL equation is
[tex]0=\frac{d^2x^0}{d\tau^2}+\Gamma^0_{01}\frac{dx^1}{d\tau}\frac{dx^0}{d\tau}+\Gamma^0_{10}\frac{dx^0}{d\tau}\frac{dx^1}{d\tau}=\frac{d^2x^0}{d\tau^2}+2\Gamma^0_{01}\frac{dx^1}{d\tau}\frac{dx^0}{d\tau}[/tex]

where the last equality is true since [tex]\Gamma^a_{bc}=\Gamma^a_{cb}[/tex]
 
Thank you very much Cristo
 

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