How to Determine Moles of Product at Equilibrium in a Gas Reaction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the number of moles of dinitrogen pentoxide at equilibrium in a gas reaction involving nitrous oxide and ozone. The context includes a homework problem that requires understanding of chemical equilibrium and the application of the equilibrium constant.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a balanced chemical equation and an initial setup for calculating equilibrium concentrations based on the equilibrium constant.
  • Another participant points out that the initial concentrations cannot be assumed to be the equilibrium concentrations, highlighting a mistake in the initial reasoning.
  • A later reply acknowledges the correction and emphasizes the importance of using the correct equilibrium moles in calculations.
  • Participants discuss the proper use of LaTeX for mathematical expressions, with suggestions for improvement in formatting.
  • There is a discussion about the role of volume in the equilibrium expression, with some participants asserting that it cannot be ignored and must be included in the calculations.
  • One participant speculates that if the degrees of the numerator and denominator in the equilibrium expression are the same, volume would cancel out, which is confirmed by another participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the initial approach to the problem, as there are multiple viewpoints regarding the treatment of concentrations and the role of volume in the equilibrium expression. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the final answer and the validity of the methods used.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the initial and equilibrium concentrations, as well as the treatment of volume in the equilibrium constant expression. The discussion reflects ongoing learning and refinement of understanding of chemical equilibrium concepts.

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Homework Statement



Nitrous oxide reacts with ozone to form dinitrogen pentoxide. There are four moles of each reactant and the volume of the container in which this reaction takes place is 2 L. T is constant. The equilibrium constant for this reaction is 1. How many moles of product are present when the reaction achieves equilibrium?

Homework Equations

Balanced equation: 3N_{2}O + 4O_{3} <--> 3N_{2}O_{5}

The Attempt at a Solution



Wrong method:

K_{c}=\frac{[N2O5]^{3}}{[N2O]^{3}[O3]^{4}}

All the components are gaseous, so they can go into the equation. First, however, we have to convert moles to concentrations. So we divide moles by volume (2 L). Also the equilibrium constant is equal to 1. Then we can plug in everything to the equation:

1=\frac{[N2O5]^{3}}{[2]^{3}[2]^{4}}

From here we can solve for the concentration of dinitrogen pentoxide. 1 =\frac{[N2O5]^{3}}{128}

We get the concentration of dinitrogen pentoxide as the third root of 128, and we must multiply this value by 2 liters to get the number of moles of dinitrogen pentoxide since by dimensional analysis the liters cancel out (moles/liter * liter = moles).

New and hopefully correct method!

Let's surmise that x moles of product (dinitrogen pentoxide) were made.

From the balanced equation we can see that the production of x moles of product consumes x moles of nitrous oxide and (4/3)x moles of ozone.

Now, we have the equilibrium, rather than the initial, number of moles.

Equilibrium number of moles:

Nitrous oxide: 4 - x moles
Ozone: 4 - (4/3)x moles
Dinitrogen pentoxide: x moles (as I surmised).

From here we can plug stuff into our equilibrium constant equation! Volume is constant so we'll just plug in the number of moles.

\frac{x^{3}}{(4-x)^{3}(4-4x/3)^{4}} =1 Questions:

1) I first thought nitrous oxide referred to nitrogen monoxide (NO). I was wrong. Is nitrous oxide the scientific name or just a common name? I'm suspecting it's just a common name because I can't think of a rule for "-ous" compounds outside acids (e.g. sulfuorous acid).

2) I'm still learning equilibrium here and I'm wondering if my work is correct. I'm pretty sure it's correct after consulting a textbook (which actually refers to N2O as dinitrogen monoxide). Is my answer correct? More importantly, is my process and logic correct?

3) Are the initial moles of reactant equal to the equilibrium moles of reactant? Is this relevant? I'm suspecting what I did above is wrong because I didn't use the equilibrium moles but instead the initial moles (I just re-read the textbook).
 
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Qube said:
1=\frac{[N2O5]^{3}}{[2]^{3}[2]^{4}}

That would be correct if the concentrations of reactants after the reaction were 2. They are not - some of the reactants were consumed.

Note: you are doing strange things to Latex. No need to treat each part separately, combine everything together and use one set of tex tags:

[tеx]1=\frac{[N_2O_5]^{3}}{[2]^{3}[2]^{4}}[/tеx]

to get

1=\frac{[N_2O_5]^{3}}{[2]^{3}[2]^{4}}

itex tags are for inline formulas (like e=\sum_0^\infty\frac 1 {n!}).

You can always right-click a formula and select "show math as tex commands" to see how it was entered. Or you can quote the message to see the \LaTeX code.
 
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Gotcha! I fixed it in the problem above while preserving the incorrect work so other people can hopefully see what I did wrong and avoid the mistake of assuming the initial concentrations to be the equilibrium concentrations!
 
Qube said:
From here we can plug stuff into our equilibrium constant equation! Volume is constant so we'll just plug in the number of moles.

\frac{x^{3}}{(4-x)^{3}(4-4x/3)^{4}} =1

This looks much better, but you can't ignore the volume. It won't cancel out.

(BTW, your latex is still slightly messed up - why two separate expressions, each in its own tags, instead of a single expression? Compare our LaTeX tutorial.)
 
Borek said:
This looks much better, but you can't ignore the volume. It won't cancel out.

(BTW, your latex is still slightly messed up - why two separate expressions, each in its own tags, instead of a single expression? Compare our LaTeX tutorial.)

You're right on both points; I'll make sure to look at more LaTeX and learn it. I really appreciate the power of LaTex, and I've been lazy by using two separate LaTex expressions instead of combining them.

Also, yes, volume won't cancel out here; volume is cubed on top and ... raised to the seven power in the denominator. If the degrees of the numerator and denominator were the same, however, then volume would cancel out, I think, correct?

\frac{(x/2)^{3}}{[(4-x)/2]^{3}[(4-4x/3)/2]^{4}} = 1

(Only used one pair of latex tags above! I'm getting it! :) )
 
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Qube said:
If the degrees of the numerator and denominator were the same, however, then volume would cancel out, I think, correct?

Yes.

\frac{(x/2)^{3}}{[(4-x)/2]^{3}[(4-4x/3)/2]^{4}} = 1

(Only used one pair of latex tags above! I'm getting it! :) )

Better, but you are still using itex tax for an expression that is put on its own line. This is perhaps not a serious error, but itex generates smaller formulas (\frac{(\frac x 2)^{3}}{[\frac{4-x} 2]^{3}[\frac {4-\frac{4x}{3}} 2]^{4}} = 1), as it is designed to fit in text. tex tags on the other hand generate images that are larger and easier to read:

\frac{(\frac x 2)^{3}}{[\frac{4-x} 2]^{3}[\frac {4-\frac{4x}{3}} 2]^{4}} = 1
 

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