How to find all solutions of ## 3x-7y\equiv 11\pmod {13} ##?

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The discussion revolves around solving the linear congruence equation \(3x - 7y \equiv 11 \pmod{13}\). Participants explore the properties of the equation and the implications of working within a modular arithmetic framework.

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  • Participants discuss manipulating the equation to isolate variables, questioning the form of the solution provided in the book. They explore the implications of having two variables with a single equation and the nature of solutions in modular arithmetic.

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Several participants have provided different approaches to express the relationship between \(x\) and \(y\). There is an ongoing exploration of how to represent the solutions, with some suggesting that \(y\) can take on multiple values leading to a set of solutions. No consensus has been reached on the preferred method of expressing the solutions.

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Participants note that all numbers involved are coprime and have inverses modulo \(13\). The discussion also highlights the constraints of the problem, particularly the finite set of integers from \(0\) to \(12\) that can be used for \(y\).

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Homework Statement
Find all solutions of the linear congruence ## 3x-7y\equiv 11\pmod {13} ##.
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Consider the linear congruence ## 3x-7y\equiv 11\pmod {13} ##.
Then ## 3x\equiv 11+7y\pmod {13} ##.
Note that ## gcd(3, 13)=1 ## and ## 1\mid 11 ##.
This means ## y\in\ {0, 1,..., 12} ##.

And now I'm stuck. The book's answer shows ## x\equiv 11+t\pmod {13}, y\equiv 5+6t\pmod {13} ##. But based on my previous work shown above, how should I get to the correct answer for this problem?
 
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I'm not sure why they would write the answer in that manner. I'd start with (you can fill in some blanks)
##3x - 7y \equiv 11##

##3x \equiv 11 + 7y##

Multiply both sides by ##3^{-1}## to get x. Then you have
##x \equiv 8 + 11y##

Personally I'd leave it there, but if you like set ##x \equiv t##. Then solve ## t \equiv 8 + 11y## for y and you get ##y \equiv 6 t+ 2##.

I'll leave it to you to figure out how to get ##x = 11 + t## and ##y \equiv 5 + 6t## from there.

If you need more help, show us what you've got and we'll take it from there.

-Dan
 
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Let's forget about the theorems for a moment.

We have ##3x-7y\equiv 11\pmod{13}## and all numbers here are coprime, so they all have inverses modulo ##13.## However, we have two variables but only one equation. It is now the same calculation which you use to solve linear equation systems. Only that we do not have rational numbers, but ##\{0,1,2,\ldots,12\}## instead.

Let's solve ##3a\equiv 1\pmod{13}.## We have ##3\cdot (-4)\equiv -12 \equiv 1 \pmod{13}## so ##a=3^{-1}\equiv -4\equiv 9\pmod{13}.## From that we get
\begin{align*}
3x-7y\equiv 11\pmod{13} &\Longrightarrow 9\cdot 3x-9\cdot 7y=99\pmod{13} \\
&\Longrightarrow 27x-63y\equiv 99\pmod{13}\\
&\Longrightarrow x-11y\equiv 8 \pmod{13} \\&\Longrightarrow x=11y+8
\end{align*}
##y## is arbitrary, a free parameter. So you could either choose any ##y## and calculate ##x## from it or the other way around.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Let's forget about the theorems for a moment.

We have ##3x-7y\equiv 11\pmod{13}## and all numbers here are coprime, so they all have inverses modulo ##13.## However, we have two variables but only one equation. It is now the same calculation which you use to solve linear equation systems. Only that we do not have rational numbers, but ##\{0,1,2,\ldots,12\}## instead.

Let's solve ##3a\equiv 1\pmod{13}.## We have ##3\cdot (-4)\equiv -12 \equiv 1 \pmod{13}## so ##a=3^{-1}\equiv -4\equiv 9\pmod{13}.## From that we get
\begin{align*}
3x-7y\equiv 11\pmod{13} &\Longrightarrow 9\cdot 3x-9\cdot 7y=99\pmod{13} \\
&\Longrightarrow 27x-63y\equiv 99\pmod{13}\\
&\Longrightarrow x-11y\equiv 8 \pmod{13} \\&\Longrightarrow x=11y+8
\end{align*}
##y## is arbitrary, a free parameter. So you could either choose any ##y## and calculate ##x## from it or the other way around.
Since ## y\in {0, 1,..., 12} ##, it follows that ## x=11(0)+8=0+8=8 ##. So ## x=8, y=0 ##. Then what should be the answer?
 
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Since ## y\in {0, 1,..., 12} ##, it follows that ## x=11(0)+8=0+8=8 ##. So ## x=8, y=0 ##. Then what should be the answer?
The answer is a set that has as many elements as there are solutions. Since ##y## can freely be chosen, there will be thirteen answers, for every value of ##y## one. You have noted ##(x,y)=(8,0).## The solution is either ##\{(x,y)=(11y+8,y)\pmod{13}\,|\,0\leq y \leq 12\}## or you list all thirteen: ##\{(8,0),(6,1),(4,2),\ldots\}.##
 
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fresh_42 said:
The answer is a set that has as many elements as there are solutions. Since ##y## can freely be chosen, there will be thirteen answers, for every value of ##y## one. You have noted ##(x,y)=(8,0).## The solution is either ##\{(x,y)=(11y+8,y)\pmod{13}\,|\,0\leq y \leq 12\}## or you list all thirteen: ##\{(8,0),(6,1),(4,2),\ldots\}.##
I do not think listing all thirteen pairs of sets is a good idea, but I do prefer the first solution you've provided.
 
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I do not think listing all thirteen pairs of sets is a good idea, but I do prefer the first solution you've provided.
The point that you should get here is, that the remainders of primes, here ##13,## form a field. Fields are structures where we can add, subtract, multiply and divide. We normally only consider the rational numbers, or the reals, maybe even the complex numbers. But ##\{0,1,2,\ldots,12\}## is a field, too. It has only thirteen elements, but it provides all calculation rules. Therefore ##3x-7y=11\pmod{13}## is the equation of a straight in a plane. The plane has only ##13^2=169## points, but who cares? The straight has ##13## points.
 
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