How to find the eigenvectors for a given matrix using the example in a textbook?

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The discussion revolves around finding eigenvectors for a specific matrix associated with a system of differential equations. Participants explore the process of calculating eigenvalues and eigenvectors, referencing a textbook example while addressing the challenges of deriving the eigenvectors from the given matrix.

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  • One participant presents the matrix and the process of finding eigenvalues by calculating the determinant after subtracting λ from the diagonal entries, resulting in eigenvalues λ₁=2, λ₂=2, and λ₃=4.
  • Another participant suggests finding eigenvectors corresponding to the eigenvalue 2, noting the presence of a double eigenvalue.
  • A participant questions how to derive the eigenvector for the eigenvalue 4, proposing a matrix equation to solve for the eigenvector.
  • One participant confirms a choice of eigenvector corresponding to the eigenvalue 4 as (1, 2, 4) and prompts for the other two eigenvectors.
  • An addendum mentions the normalization of the eigenvector for physics contexts, while expressing uncertainty about mathematical conventions.

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Participants generally agree on the process of finding eigenvalues and the approach to finding eigenvectors, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the complete set of eigenvectors and the conventions for normalization.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the derivation of the remaining eigenvectors and the normalization conventions between physics and mathematics.

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Solve the system
$$Y'=\begin{bmatrix}2 & 1 & 0 \\0 & 2 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 & 4 \end{bmatrix}Y$$
subtract $\lambda$ from the diagonal entries of the given matrix and take det:
$$\left|
\begin{array}{ccc}
- \lambda + 2 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & - \lambda + 2 & 1 \\
0 & 0 & - \lambda + 4
\end{array}\right|
=(-\lambda+2)^{2}(-\lambda+4)$$
the roots are:
$$\lambda_1=2,\quad\lambda_2=2, \quad\lambda_3=4$$this is the example in the book I am trying to follow but I don't see how they got these vectors or the rest of it
(my matrix is similar)

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karush said:
Solve the system
$$Y'=\begin{bmatrix}2 & 1 & 0 \\0 & 2 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 & 4 \end{bmatrix}Y$$
subtract $\lambda$ from the diagonal entries of the given matrix and take det:
$$\left|
\begin{array}{ccc}
- \lambda + 2 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & - \lambda + 2 & 1 \\
0 & 0 & - \lambda + 4
\end{array}\right|
=(-\lambda+2)^{2}(-\lambda+4)$$
the roots are:
$$\lambda_1=2,\quad\lambda_2=2, \quad\lambda_3=4$$this is the example in the book I am trying to follow but I don't see how they got these vectors or the rest of it
(my matrix is similar)
Okay, so now find your eigenvectors:
[math]\left ( \begin{matrix} 2 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 2 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 & 4 \end{matrix} \right ) \left ( \begin{matrix} a \\ b \\ c \end{matrix} \right ) = 2 \left ( \begin{matrix} a \\ b \\ c \end{matrix} \right )[/math]

etc. (Remember that you have that double eigenvalue, too!)

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
Okay, so now find your eigenvectors:
[math]\left ( \begin{matrix} 2 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 2 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 & 4 \end{matrix} \right ) \left ( \begin{matrix} a \\ b \\ c \end{matrix} \right ) = 2 \left ( \begin{matrix} a \\ b \\ c \end{matrix} \right )[/math]

etc. (Remember that you have that double eigenvalue, too!)

-Dan

So would $\lambda=4$ just be:
$$\displaystyle \left ( \begin{matrix} 2 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 2 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 & 4 \end{matrix} \right )
\left ( \begin{matrix} a \\ b \\ c \end{matrix} \right ) =4\left ( \begin{matrix} a \\ b \\ c \end{matrix} \right )$$
 
karush said:
So would $\lambda=4$ just be:
$$\displaystyle \left ( \begin{matrix} 2 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 2 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 & 4 \end{matrix} \right )
\left ( \begin{matrix} a \\ b \\ c \end{matrix} \right ) =4\left ( \begin{matrix} a \\ b \\ c \end{matrix} \right )$$
Correct. So one choice of the eigenvector corresponding to the eigenvalue 4 is [math]\left ( \begin{matrix} 1 \\ 2 \\ 4 \end{matrix} \right )[/math].

Can you get the other two?

-Dan

Addendum: Normally (pun intended) for Physics I would normalize this to [math]\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{21}} \left ( \begin{matrix} 1 \\ 2 \\ 4 \end{matrix} \right )[/math], but I don't know what conventions a Mathematician would ordinarily use.
 

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