How to know when to stop and a problem is done

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of determining when to stop working on a mathematical problem, specifically in the context of identifying whether an equation represents a function. Participants share personal experiences and seek advice on recognizing the completion of problem-solving tasks.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration with knowing when a problem is truly complete, citing experiences of thinking they had simplified an equation only to find additional steps were necessary.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the specific requirements of a problem, suggesting that one is done when they have fulfilled the task or answered the question posed.
  • A later reply discusses the concept of 'y being a function of x,' indicating that this requires isolating 'y' on one side of the equation, which may not have been clear to the original poster.
  • The original poster reflects on a specific problem involving the equation x^2 + y^2 = 4 and their process of attempting to isolate 'y' and the confusion that arose from the square root operation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a definitive method for knowing when a problem is complete, as experiences and interpretations vary. There are differing views on the clarity of problem requirements and the steps necessary to solve them.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the potential ambiguity in problem statements and the varying interpretations of what it means for 'y' to be a function of 'x.' The discussion reflects personal experiences rather than established methods.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals engaged in mathematics who struggle with recognizing the completion of problem-solving tasks may find this discussion relevant.

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Hey everyone, so I was working on problem that resulted in this:

y=√4-x^2 ( the 4-x^2 is under the square root)

and I was stumped as to what to do next... then later finally giving up, I realized that that was the end of the problem, and that it would just end in either negative or positive. This isn't the first time something like this has happened. How do you know when you're done working on a problem? Often times, I'd think I was done with a problem, and I had simplified is as low as possible, but then whamo! I was supposed to factor it, or do something else to it... How do you know if you've reached the end, or if there is more to do?
 
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Well, you haven't said what the problem is! That's the crucial point. Every problem asks you to do some specific thing or answer a specific question. You are done when you have done what you were asked to do or answered the question.
 
lol, ok, well the problem was:
Determine whether the equation represents y as a function of x

x^2 + y^2 = 4

I moved the x^2 over to get y by itself etc.. and I square rooted y^2 to rip off the square. I was looking at the square root over the reamaing 4-x^2 and puzzled, not realizing that it was the end! Like I said, its not just this time, I always do that or never realizing if there's more steps involved, or if the equation or expression can be worked on more...
 
In that case you need to think about what it means for 'y to be a function of x.' In the simplest of terms, it is when you can write 'y' on one side of the equation, and all constants and 'x' terms on the other.

Do you have another example of when you found yourself in an endless loop? Or is it for similar types of problems?
 

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