How to make a lead-dioxide cathode?

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The discussion revolves around the construction of a lead-dioxide cathode for an experiment investigating the effects of sulfation on lead-acid batteries. Participants explore methods for creating electrodes from lead and lead dioxide, as well as the chemical reactions involved in the process.

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Main Points Raised

  • Isaac seeks guidance on how to create a lead dioxide cathode from lead dioxide powder and questions whether PbO2 is a conductor.
  • One participant suggests coating a lead electrode with lead dioxide, proposing that the necessary chemistry would occur at the surface.
  • Another participant speculates that lead dioxide might form naturally under certain conditions, though they express uncertainty about its stability in sulfuric acid.
  • Isaac considers changing the experimental setup to perform a reaction involving lead, lead dioxide, and sulfuric acid, and inquires about potential measurements related to the discharge reaction and sulfation effects.
  • A participant mentions that lead oxide is typically pressed into lead electrodes and raises concerns about galvanic pitting if lead oxide is merely sprinkled onto a lead plate.
  • There is a discussion about the chemical reaction producing lead sulfate and whether it can yield measurable results, with one participant noting that additional lead sulfate will form until saturation is reached.
  • Isaac expresses uncertainty about how to visualize or measure the outcomes of the reaction and seeks suggestions on what parameters to measure in relation to current, voltage, power, and efficiency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on the methods for creating lead dioxide electrodes and the implications of the chemical reactions involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach and the specifics of measurement techniques.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the stability of lead dioxide in sulfuric acid and the specifics of the chemical reactions being discussed. The participants do not reach a consensus on the optimal method for electrode preparation or measurement techniques.

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Hi all,

I'm doing an experiment in which I am investigating the kind of effects that sulfation has on lead-acid batteries.

In order to do that, I have to build my own simple cell using lead and lead dioxide electrodes, both immersed in a solution of concentrated sulphuric acid. However, I don't know how I can go about doing this: how can I make a lead dioxide cathode from lead dioxide powder? Also, is PbO2 a conductor; if not, how do I coat a conductor electrode like graphite with lead dioxide?

This is a really important essay, so your help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Isaac.
 
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Why not coat a lead electrode with lead dioxide? The chemistry will happen at the surface.
 
yeah i was thinking of that... but how do i go about doing that?
 
I would think that would happen naturally if you applied the proper potential at high pH. I don't know if it would be stable once you switched to sulfuric acid.
 
okay now, maybe if i changed the setup, and instead of actually making the electrodes, i simply perform the reaction:

Pb + PbO2 + 2HSO4− → 2PbSO4 + 2H2O

I would use sheet lead, powder pbo2 and 6M sulphuric acid. What could I get out of this, both in terms of just the discharge reaction itself, and for the sulfation effect? Does it make sense to measure something like the enthalpy of the above reaction, then again with crystallised lead sulphate in it?

Thanks so much for your help, I really appreciate it.
 
Have you read the Wiki on lead batteries? Lead oxide is pressed as a paste into lead electrodes to form the lead oxide part of the circuit. If you sprinkle lead oxide onto a lead plate you will likely see galvanic pitting but I don't know if you will know anything about the effect of electrode sulfation on the 'battery'.
 
hmm yeah i have read that... sorry to ask.. but what about the chemical reaction

Pb + PbO2 + 2HSO4− → 2PbSO4 + 2H2O?

Can I get anything out of that?
 
Yes, you will make additional lead sulfate up to the point of saturation. It will then begin to ppt on all surfaces if you have the proper amount of lead sulfate and sulfuric acid to start with and you use enough lead oxide. How will you visualize it? How will it be measured?
 
i actually have no idea.. i only just thought of the idea. Basically, what I'm trying to get at is a way to measure the current/voltage/power/efficiency of the system before and after sulfation occurs.

for the reaction we're talking about, what do you think I can measure?
 

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