How to prove that 2n=1 has no integer solutions

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The discussion centers on the problem of proving that the equation 2n=1 has no integer solutions. Participants explore various methods of proof without relying on the concept of rational numbers, aiming for a more foundational approach similar to the proof of the irrationality of √2.

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  • Some participants suggest that the only possible solution is n = 1/2, which is not an integer, but they seek a proof that does not rely on this observation.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the nature of integers and emphasizes the need for a proof that does not simply state that n=1/2 is not an integer.
  • Different approaches are proposed, including deriving a contradiction from integer axioms that would imply n must be both even and odd.
  • Another participant mentions that the equation implies 1 is even, which contradicts the fact that 1 is odd.
  • One participant introduces the idea of using inequalities, stating that for any integer n greater than 0, 2n is always greater than or equal to 2, which is greater than 1.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of prime factorization, arguing that if 2n=1, then 2 must divide 1, which contradicts the definition of primes.

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Participants present multiple competing views and approaches to the problem, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding a definitive proof that 2n=1 has no integer solutions.

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Some arguments depend on the definitions of integers and primes, and there are unresolved assumptions about the inclusion of zero in the set of integers.

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This might seem like a very simple problem, because we could just say that the only possible solution is n = 1/2, which is not an integer. But I am curious as to how to prove that there is no solution, with no knowledge of rational numbers, just as we can prove that x^2 = 2 as no rational solutions without any knowledge of irrational numbers.
 
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I am confused. 1/2 is never an integer or even number. I am asking how I would prove that 2n=1 has no integer solutions, without just saying that n=1/2 is not an integer.
 
There are different approaches. For example, derive (from a chosen set of integer axioms) that n solving this equation must be both even and odd, a contradiction.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
This might seem like a very simple problem, because we could just say that the only possible solution is n = 1/2, which is not an integer. But I am curious as to how to prove that there is no solution, with no knowledge of rational numbers, just as we can prove that x^2 = 2 as no rational solutions without any knowledge of irrational numbers.
The first thing to do - as always - check the statement: What is an integer? The proof of the irrationality of ##\sqrt{2}## which you mentioned, uses, that rationals can be written as quotients of integers, which are products of primes.

If you take the definition of primes again, then ##2n=1## implies the prime ##2\,\vert \,1## and is therefore a unit. But primes aren't allowed to be units, so ##2 \nmid 1## and ##n \notin \mathbb{Z}\,.## Or if you like: the only units in ##\mathbb{Z}## are ##\pm 1## so it's impossible because of that.

I know this is a bit like cheating, because it plays with definitions, so again: what is an integer?
 
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I deleted my earlier post, and PAllen's reply to it.
 
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There are different approaches. For example, derive (from a chosen set of integer axioms) that n solving this equation must be both even and odd, a contradiction.
Or even simpler, along this line, it implies 1 is even; but 1 is odd.
 
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With inequalities: 2*0 is not 1 (skip this if you don't include 0 in the integers). For every integer n larger than 0, ##2n \geq 2 > 1##.
 
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