How to prove that a topological space is non-hausdorff?

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The discussion revolves around methods to prove that a topological space is non-Hausdorff. Participants explore various approaches, including counterexamples, properties of sequences, and specific examples like the Zariski topology.

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  • Some participants suggest finding a counterexample to the definition of Hausdorff spaces as a method to demonstrate non-Hausdorffness.
  • Others propose that showing a sequence converges to more than one point could indicate non-Hausdorffness, though this does not guarantee the space is non-Hausdorff if such sequences do not exist.
  • One participant mentions that lacking information to separate points with disjoint open neighborhoods could lead to using counterexamples related to properties of Hausdorff spaces, such as compact subsets being closed.
  • Another participant introduces metrizability as a sufficient condition for Hausdorffness but notes it is not necessary, suggesting that the question may be too broad without specific details about the space in question.
  • In discussing the Zariski topology, participants question whether it refers to the topology of cofinite sets or the topology associated with a commutative ring, indicating a need for clarification on the specific context.
  • A participant describes the Zariski topology on an infinite set and argues that it is Hausdorff because any two arbitrary non-empty open sets intersect, thus lacking disjoint open sets.

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Participants express differing views on the methods to prove non-Hausdorffness, particularly regarding the Zariski topology, indicating that there is no consensus on the topic.

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Some limitations include the need for specific information about the topological space in question and the potential ambiguity in the definition of the Zariski topology being discussed.

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Is there a method or an algorithm or a theorem or whatever that tells us a topological space is not a Hausdorff space?
 
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This depends on the space in question.
I think finding a counterexample to the definition shouldn't be so hard. Another thing you can do is to find a sequence that converges to more than one point (but if such a sequence does not exist, then the space can still be Hausdorff).

You have any specific space in mind??
 
If you don't have enough information to actually exhibit a pair of points that can't be separated by disjoint open neighborhoods, then the only other way I can think of to show non-Hausdorff-ness would be to have a counterexample to one of the properties that Hausdorff spaces have (e.g. that compact subsets are closed).
 
You can check the above conditions and throw-in metrizability as a sufficient--tho not necessary --condition for Hausdorffness.

Still, I think the question is too broad* ; and you may find a better answer if you know how the space is presented/described to you.


*tho, don't get me wrong, I like broads.
 
for example Zariski topology, How do we show that it is non-Hausdorff? I'm just interested to know how we could see if a space is Hausdorff or not.
 
AdrianZ said:
for example Zariski topology, How do we show that it is non-Hausdorff? I'm just interested to know how we could see if a space is Hausdorff or not.

What do you mean with the Zariski topology here?? Do you mean the topology consisting of all cofinite sets, or do you mean the topology associated with a commutative ring??

Let's say you mean the former, then we have an infinite set X and a topology

\mathcal{T}=\{U\subseteq X~\vert~X\setminus U~\text{is finite}\}\cup \{\emptyset\}

Take two arbitrary non-empty open sets U and V. Then U\cap V is nonempty (check this). So the space is Hausdorff because there don't exist disjoint open sets!
 

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