How to prove this for every Arithmetic Progression?

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The discussion revolves around proving that the common terms of any two arithmetic progressions (APs) form another AP, and exploring the implications of their common differences. Participants examine various scenarios, including cases where there are no common terms and the conditions under which the common terms can be determined.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents examples of two APs and proposes that their common terms will form another AP with a common difference equal to the lowest common multiple of their common differences.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the claim when there are no common terms between the two APs, suggesting that the claim may be vacuously true in such cases.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of having only one or multiple common terms and the conditions under which the common terms can be expressed mathematically.
  • There is a suggestion that the common difference need not be an integer or rational number, which raises questions about the nature of the sequences involved.
  • Participants explore the relationship between the common differences of the APs and the conditions under which the common terms can be derived.
  • One participant introduces the concept of prime factors in relation to the common differences and their implications for the common terms.
  • Another participant outlines three possibilities regarding the common terms of two infinite increasing APs, detailing how to express the common terms mathematically based on the number of common terms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the original claim, particularly regarding cases with no common terms and the nature of the common differences. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the implications and conditions surrounding the common terms of APs.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the common differences of the APs can be real numbers, which complicates the discussion about the lowest common multiple and the nature of the sequences. There is also an acknowledgment that the proof may vary depending on whether the common differences are integers or not.

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I just made some random arithmetic progressions and i noticed that the lowest common multiple of the common difference of any two arithmetic progressions is equal to the common difference of an AP generated by the common terms present in both of the APs.
If i take any two APs
say a=1; d=5;
1,6,11,16,21,26,31,36,41,46,51......1+(n-1)5.

say a=2; d=3;
2,5,8,11,14,17,20,23,26,29,32,35,38,41......2+(n-1)3.

If i pick out the common terms here, I get an AP again o common difference 15.
11,26,41....11+(n-1)15

How can i prove that the common terms of any 2 APs will give me another AP and the lowest common multiple of their common differences will be the common difference of the new AP? Any hints?
 
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What if there are no terms that are present in both arithmetic progressions? E.g. 1, 5, 9, 13, ... and 10, 20, 30, 40, ... For the first, ##a_0 = 1## and d = 4. For the second, ##a_1 = 10## and d = 10.
 
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Mark44 said:
What if there are no terms that are present in both arithmetic progressions? E.g. 1, 5, 9, 13, ... and 10, 20, 30, 40, ... For the first, ##a_0 = 1## and d = 4. For the second, ##a_1 = 10## and d = 10.
Oh i didn't think of this.......
 
Mark44 said:
What if there are no terms that are present in both arithmetic progressions? E.g. 1, 5, 9, 13, ... and 10, 20, 30, 40, ... For the first, ##a_0 = 1## and d = 4. For the second, ##a_1 = 10## and d = 10.
Then the OP's claim would be vacuously true. But if there are common terms, is the claim true?
 
tellmesomething said:
How can i prove that the common terms of any 2 APs will give me another AP and the lowest common multiple of their common differences will be the common difference of the new AP? Any hints?
Leaving aside the trivial case where two AP's have no terms in common, let ##A## be the lowest common term. Also, we should assume that both common differences are positive. For subsequent terms, the two AP's are:
$$A, A + d_1, A + 2d_1 \dots$$and$$A, A + d_2, A + 2d_2 \dots$$Now there are two cases ... Hint ##d_1, d_2## need not be whole numbers.
 
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PeroK said:
Leaving aside the trivial case where two AP's have no terms in common, let ##A## be the lowest common term. Also, we should assume that both common differences are positive. For subsequent terms, the two AP's are:
$$A, A + d_1, A + 2d_1 \dots$$and$$A, A + d_2, A + 2d_2 \dots$$Now there are two cases ... Hint ##d_1, d_2## need not be whole numbers.
So like say n1d1 is the common difference after which another common term is seen. And n2d2 is the common difference in the second ap after which this same common term is seen so
A+n1d1=A+n2d2
n1d1=n2d2

does this imply that n1d1 is the LCM(D1,D2)...?
 
You have essentially two equations at hand:
$$
d_1 d_2 = \operatorname{lcm}(d_1,d_2)\cdot \operatorname{gcd}(d_1,d_2)\quad\text{ and }\quad\operatorname{gcd}(d_1,d_2)=c_1d_1+c_2d_2
$$
for some integers ##c_1,c_2.##
 
The common difference is not necessarily an integer, or even a rational. It's possible, therefore, that the two sequences have only one term in common. But, if they have a second term in common ...
 
Another hint: if a prime factor ##p## divides ##d_1## what can we say about whether ##p## divides ##d_2##, too, or not?
 
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fresh_42 said:
Another hint: if a prime factor ##p## divides ##d_1## what can we say about whether ##p## divides ##d_2##, too, or not?
Are all AP's necessarily sequences of integers?
 
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PeroK said:
Are all AP's necessarily sequences of integers?
Does it make sense to speak about ##\operatorname{lcm}## if not?
 
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fresh_42 said:
Does it make sense to speak about ##\operatorname{lcm}## if not?
Of course not. I made the point in post #5 that ##d_1, d_2## are in general real numbers. And, in fact, the proof that the common terms form an AP is simpler in general.
 
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Assuming both AP's are infinite and increasing, there are three possibilities:

a) They have no terms in common.
b) They have one term in common.
c) They have an infinite number of terms in common, which form an AP

We can show a) and b) by example.

If the sequences have two terms in common, then we can choose the lowest two such terms and write them as ##A## and ##A + D##. That means that ##D## is the smallest number such that ##D = kd_1 + md_2## for some positive integers ##k, m##. This implies that the next term in common is ##A + D + D = A + 2D## and so on.

The common terms form an AP with first term ##A## and common difference ##D##.

Note that we have case c) iff the ratio ##d_1/d_2## is rational.
 
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