How to relate relativistic kinetic energy and momentum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between relativistic kinetic energy and momentum, specifically how to express momentum as a function of kinetic energy. Participants explore various equations and graphical representations related to this relationship within the context of special relativity.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to express momentum ##p## as a function of kinetic energy ##K## using the equations ##p=\gamma mv## and ##K=mc^2(\gamma - 1)## but struggles to rearrange them appropriately.
  • Another participant points out that to find an equation ##p(K)##, an additional equation relating ##\gamma## and ##v## is necessary.
  • It is noted that ##\gamma## and ##v## are related through the definition ##\gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\beta^2}}##, where ##\beta## is the velocity in terms of the speed of light ##c##.
  • A suggestion is made to write ##p(v)## and ##K(v)## to derive ##K(p)##.
  • Participants discuss the relationship involving energy, noting the equation ##E^2=p^2c^2+m^2c^{4}## and derive an expression for momentum in terms of energy, leading to a proposed form for ##p(K)##.
  • One participant concludes that the derived expression for ##p(K)## corresponds to graph C.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to derive the relationship between momentum and kinetic energy, with some proposing various approaches and equations. There is no consensus on the best method to relate these quantities, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal graphical representation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of relating relativistic quantities and the need for careful consideration of definitions and relationships between variables. Some assumptions and dependencies on specific equations are noted but not fully resolved.

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Hi guys,

a special relativity problem requested to choose the right graph representing relativistic momentum ##p## as a function of rel. kinetic energy ##K##, from these four:
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At first, I tried writing ##p## as a function of ##K##, in order to then analyze the function's graph and see if it matches one of the four above, being ##p=\gamma mv## and ##K=mc^2(\gamma - 1)##, but I couldn't rearrange those two in such a way.
By deduction, I believe the graph should be C or D, since momentum would reasonably tend to infinity in a non-linear way(A) due to the presence of factor ##\gamma##, nor as indicated by B...
 
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You have an equation for ##p(\gamma, v)## and an equation for ##K(\gamma)##, so of course, you cannot use them to find an equation ##p(K)##, you need an extra equation, do you know of any equation that relates ##\gamma## and ##v##?
 
Gaussian97 said:
You have an equation for ##p(\gamma, v)## and an equation for ##K(\gamma)##, so of course, you cannot use them to find an equation ##p(K)##, you need an extra equation, do you know of any equation that relates ##\gamma## and ##v##?
Aren't ##\gamma## and ##v## simply related by ##\gamma##'s definition ##\gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\beta ^2}}##, being ##\beta## the velocity in terms of ##c##?
 
greg_rack said:
Aren't ##\gamma## and ##v## simply related by ##\gamma##'s definition ##\gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\beta ^2}}##, being ##\beta## the velocity in terms of ##c##?
Yes. So you should be able to write ##p(v)## and ##K(v)## and hence ##K(p)##.

Alternatively, do you know anything about ##E^2## and ##p^2c^2##?
 
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Ibix said:
Alternatively, do you know anything about ##E^2## and ##p^2c^2##?
Yes, ##E^2=p^2c^2+m^2c^{4}##.
Rearranging, it indeed gets ##p(E)=\frac{1}{c}\sqrt{E^2-E_0^2}##, hence:
$$p(K)=\frac{1}{c}\sqrt{K(K+2E_0)}$$
which corresponds to graph C :)
 
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