How to Show Lorentz's Identity with Relative Speed?

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating Lorentz's identity involving relative speeds in the context of special relativity. The original poster presents a set of equations derived from Lorentz transformations and seeks guidance on how to approach proving a specific relationship between velocities in different reference frames.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster describes their attempts to derive the Lorentz transformation for velocities and expresses frustration over the complexity of the algebra involved. They seek hints on how to proceed with the problem. Other participants question the definitions of the variables involved and suggest that the original poster clarify the problem statement to avoid confusion.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the definitions of the variables and the setup of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the variables, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take. The original poster indicates they have found a solution, but it has not yet been shared.

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The original poster notes the absence of a textbook for reference, which may contribute to the confusion and difficulty in understanding the problem. There is also mention of notation issues, as the original poster is not familiar with using LaTeX.

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Homework Statement


start from:
x = [x' + vt']/sqrt[1 - v^2/c^2]
ct = [v/cx' +ct']/sqrt[1 - v^2/c^2]
y = y'
z = z'

Homework Equations


show that

( 1 - \frac{u^{2}}{c^{2}})(1+\frac{vux'^{2}}{c^{2}}) = ( 1 - \frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}})(1-\frac{u'^{2}}{c^{2}})


The Attempt at a Solution



ok, I have spent many hours on this crappy thing. We have no book in class so...
I derived the lorentz transformation for ux, uy, and uz... as well as u'x', u'y', u'z'... then i computed the velocities in each fram using u = sqrt[ ux^2 + uy^2 + uz^2] and the same for u'. Nevertheless I end up in some mess of algebraic letters that get me nowhere close to the answer. I just need some sort of hit as to how to approach this problem.

thansk for any hints.
 
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What are u,v,u' ? Is -v the velocity of unprimed system wrt the primed system? Then what's u? I suggest that you post the entire problem as it was given. That way, there's no scope for confusion.
 
yeah, I know it is confusing... but that is the whole problem... exactly as it was given to us.
For what understand it is like this

u = speed of particle 1 in S frame of reference
u = sqrt[ux^2 + uy^2 + uz^2]
u' = speed of same particle after a lorentz transformation in the S' frame of reference
u' = sqrt[u'x^2 + u'y^2 + u'z^2]

now, v would be the speed of one reference with respect to the other. I assume it is the v that carries over from the gamma sqrt[1-v^2/c^2] from the lorentz transformation.

sorry about my notation, but I can't understand how to use latex yet.

thanks for the reply
 
this the actual equation

[text]1+u_{x}single-quoteV/c^2=\sqrt(1-usingle-quote^2/c^2)*\sqrt(1-V^2/c^2)/\sqrt(1-u^2/c^2)[/text]
 
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never mind guys, i found the answer... i will post the stepwise solution when i get a chance to write it on latex or scan it
 

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