How to solve a Nonhomogeneous differential equation with natural log?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a nonhomogeneous differential equation of the form y'' - y' - 30y = ln(t). Participants explore various methods for finding a solution, including the method of undetermined coefficients and variation of parameters, while addressing the challenges posed by the natural logarithm on the right-hand side.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to solve the equation using the method of undetermined coefficients, proposing solutions involving natural logarithms and reciprocal functions.
  • Another participant questions whether the homogenous equation has been solved, implying that understanding the homogenous part is crucial for tackling the nonhomogeneous equation.
  • A third participant provides a solution obtained from Maple, which includes complex functions and constants, indicating a possible resolution to the equation.
  • One participant clarifies that the method of undetermined coefficients is only applicable for specific types of right-hand sides, suggesting that variation of parameters may be necessary for this case.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant has opted to use an integral approach instead, acknowledging the complexity of the solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate method for solving the differential equation, with some advocating for undetermined coefficients and others suggesting variation of parameters. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential complexity of the solutions involving integrals and the specific conditions under which different solution methods are applicable.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and practitioners interested in differential equations, particularly those dealing with nonhomogeneous cases and various solution techniques.

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y''-y'-30y=ln(t)

My attempt:
i tried to use the method of undetermined coefficients.
y''-y'-30y=ln(t)

Y(t)=A lnt
Y'(t)=A/t
Y''(t)= -A/t^2

I also tried:

Y(t) = A ln(t) + B 1/t + C 1/t^2


now I am stuck...any help??
 
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Can you at least solve the homogenous equation ?
 
Maple returns this solution:

[tex]y^{\prime \prime }-y^{\prime }-30y=\ln x[/tex],

Exact solution is : [tex]y\left( x\right) =-\frac{1}{30}\ln x-\frac{1}{55}e^{-5x}\mbox{Ei}\left( 1,-5x\right) -\allowbreak \frac{1}{66}e^{6x}\mbox{Ei}\left( 1,6x\right) +C_{1}e^{-5x}+C_{2}e^{6x}[/tex]
 
You can only use "undetermined coefficients" on equations where the right hand side is one of the functions we get as solutions to linear equations with constant coefficients- exponentials, polynomials, sine and cosine, and combinations of those. For other "right hand sides", you will have to use "variation of parameters".

(And, typically, you have to leave the solution in terms of an integral since that usually results in integrals that have no elementary formula.)
 
all right, i just used the integral. thanks a lot!
 

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