How to solve a quadratic equation with a negative value for the variable?

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The discussion revolves around solving the quadratic equation 4y - y² = x for the variable y, particularly in the context of handling a negative value for the variable.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the quadratic formula, with attempts to identify coefficients and simplify the expression. There are questions regarding the correctness of the approach and potential algebraic mistakes made during simplification.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the algebraic steps taken, noting errors in simplification. There is a recognition of confusion stemming from comparing results with external tools, and the discussion remains open to further clarification.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of confusion arising from the use of an external tool (Wolfram) and the implications of negative values in the context of the quadratic equation.

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Homework Statement



Solve 4y-y2=x for y.

The Attempt at a Solution



First I tried using the quadratic equation with a=-1 b=4 c=-x

y=(-b±(42-4(-1)(-x))(1/2))/2(-1)

That got me this far: y=2±(8-2x)(1/2)

Then I checked wolfram and now I am confused
y=±2-sqrt(4-x
. Did I not approach this corectly?
 
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peterpanhandle said:

Homework Statement



Solve 4y-y2=x for y.

The Attempt at a Solution



First I tried using the quadratic equation with a=-1 b=4 c=-x

y=(-b±(42-4(-1)(-x))(1/2))/2(-1)

That got me this far: y=2±(8-2x)(1/2)

Then I checked wolfram and now I am confused
y=±2-sqrt(4-x
. Did I not approach this corectly?

Your approach is fine. You just made an algebra mistake while simplifying.

You had ##y = \frac{-4 \pm \sqrt{16 - 4x}}{-2}##. Note that you can't simply divide the stuff inside the radical by 2 when you bring the 2 from the denominator inside.
 
vela said:
You just made an algebra mistake while simplifying.

Thank you for the quick reply and sorry for my slow thanks. How very typical of me that it's some algebraic error :blushing: Thanks again!
 
peterpanhandle said:
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Then I checked wolfram and now I am confused [ SPOILER]y=±2-sqrt(4-x)[/SPOILER]. Did I not approach this correctly?

As the originator of the thread, you don't really need to use a Spoiler.
 

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