How to Solve Trigonometric Integrals and Isolate y as a Function of x

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation involving hyperbolic and trigonometric functions, specifically focusing on isolating y as a function of x. Participants explore integration techniques and the challenges of expressing y explicitly in terms of x.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in manipulating the equation cosh x cos y dx/dy = sinh x sin y to isolate y.
  • Another suggests separating variables and integrating both sides, proposing coth(x) dx = tan(y) dy.
  • A participant questions the correctness of their integration result, which leads to ln sinh x + C = -ln cos y, indicating uncertainty about obtaining y as a function of x.
  • Another participant provides an alternative expression involving sec(y) and attempts to guide towards solving for y.
  • Several participants express frustration and confusion about progressing to isolate y, with one reiterating their struggle after multiple attempts.
  • A participant suggests that keeping the functions in terms of sines and cosines might simplify integration.
  • There is a question about whether y can be any function or must specifically be y as a function of x, which is clarified by another participant affirming the requirement for y to be a function of x in the context of an ordinary differential equation.
  • One participant acknowledges the ongoing challenge of removing trigonometric functions to isolate y.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to isolate y as a function of x, but multiple competing views and methods for achieving this remain, with no consensus on the correct approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the integration steps and the manipulation of hyperbolic and trigonometric identities, indicating potential limitations in their current understanding or approach.

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Readers interested in differential equations, integration techniques, and the interplay between hyperbolic and trigonometric functions may find this discussion relevant.

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Im stuck with this

cosh x cos y dx/dy =sinh x sin y

after doing I am left with

coth x/tan y= dy/dx

lost in trying to get y as a function of x due to integrating of trigo
 
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I would separate out this way:
$$\coth(x) \, dx= \tan(y) \, dy,$$
and integrate both sides.
 
hmm...but the solution i get don't seem to be y as the function of x

i got this :

ln sinh x + C = -ln cos y

is this correct?
 
I would actually write $ \ln | \sinh(x)|+C= \ln | \sec(y)|$. Note that $-\ln| \cos(y)|=\ln|(\cos(y))^{-1}|= \ln| \sec(y)|$. So now you can simply solve for $y$:
\begin{align*}
e^{C} e^{\ln| \sinh(x)|}&=\sec(y) \\
e^{C} \sinh(x)&= \sec(y).
\end{align*}
Can you finish?
 
Sadly I can't finish it. the more i look the more i get lost into it. :(
 
shocks90 said:
Sadly I can't finish it. the more i look the more i get lost into it. :(

Ok, next step:
$$e^{-C} \text{csch}(x)= \cos(y).$$
Can you finish now?
 
shocks90 said:
Im stuck with this

cosh x cos y dx/dy =sinh x sin y

after doing I am left with

coth x/tan y= dy/dx

lost in trying to get y as a function of x due to integrating of trigo

It might be easier for you to integrate these functions if you keep them in terms of sines, cosines, shines and coshines...

\displaystyle \begin{align*} <br /> \cosh{(x)}\cos{(y)}\frac{dx}{dy} &amp;= \sinh{(x)}\sin{(y)} \\ \frac{\cosh{(x)}}{\sinh{(x)}} \,\frac{dx}{dy} &amp;= \frac{\sin{(y)}}{\cos{(y)}} \\ \int{\frac{\cosh{(x)}}{\sinh{(x)}} \, \frac{dx}{dy}\,dy} &amp;= \int{ \frac{\sin{(y)}}{\cos{(y)}} \, dy} \\ \int{ \frac{\cosh{(x)}}{\sinh{(x)}}\,dx} &amp;= -\int{ \frac{-\sin{(y)}}{\cos{(y)}}\,dy} \end{align*}

Each of these can easily be integrated using a substitution \displaystyle \begin{align*} u = \sinh{(x)} \implies du = \cosh{(x)}\,dx \end{align*} and \displaystyle \begin{align*} v = \cos{(y)} \implies dv = -\sin{(y)}\,dy \end{align*}
 
i have a question, can y be be any function or it has to be y itself
for its asking the expression y of the function x?
 
If it's an ordinary differential equation (as you have stated it is) then y has to be a function of x (or vice versa).
 
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Thanks...but i have yet to remove the trigos to get y alone.
 

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