How to tell if a spring is fatigue, creep or degrade?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of springs under endurance testing, specifically focusing on how the spring constant may change due to fatigue, creep, or degradation. Participants explore the effects of cycling on spring performance, particularly in ideal conditions and under high load-unload cycles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the expected changes in the spring constant after exceeding the cycle limit, questioning whether it decreases gradually or fluctuates.
  • Another participant suggests measuring the height and compression of a new spring to establish benchmarks for comparison with cycled springs.
  • Some participants note that wire coil compression springs primarily lose their initial set only under extreme temperatures or corrosive environments, rather than through cycling fatigue.
  • It is mentioned that fracturing of the wire is a principal failure mode due to cycling fatigue, rather than a loss of spring rate or free length, although rapid cycling may lead to internal heating affecting these properties.
  • One participant raises the concern that if internal heating occurs, it could lead to a loss of spring constant and potential permanent deformation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that a change in spring constant after fracture would not make sense, as the spring would then consist of two broken parts, and notes that variances in testing results may be due to the testing setup rather than the spring itself.
  • It is acknowledged that while quality manufactured springs are consistent, there can still be variances in free length, spring constant, and fatigue life among different samples.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how spring constants change under fatigue and the mechanisms of failure. There is no consensus on the exact behavior of the spring constant in relation to fatigue, creep, or degradation, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants assume ideal conditions for their discussions, but acknowledge that various factors could influence the results, such as temperature extremes and the quality of manufacturing.

Travis T
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I'm doing some spring endurance test.

If the spring is exceeding its cycles limit and causes fatigue failure, how normally the spring constant changes? For example, after the expected limit cycles (lets say 2million load-unload cycles), will the spring constant gradually decreases? or fluctuated as the cycles continue (after 2million)?

In simple words, how the spring constant changes (with cycles continue) if a spring is fatigue, creep or degraded? How to determine if a spring steel is degrading?

(Please assume everything is in ideal condition, as there are many factors might affect the result)
 
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What research have you done on this subject ?

There is a large amount of easily found information on the internet relating to spring technology .
 
simple
take a new unused spring and measure the height
next find out how much weight it takes to compress it one inch
find out how much weight to compress two inch
now you have the bench marks of new spring
do same tests on cycled spring
 
If you referring to wire coil compression springs, these will principally only lose their initial set (free length and spring rate) if they are exposed to extreme temperatures that can anneal the material or to an environment that is corrosive to their material.
The principal failure of this type of spring due to cycling fatigue is fracturing of the wire in one of the coils not loss of spring rate or free length; but extremely rapid cycling over an extended period can result in internal heating of the spring wire that can result in a loss of spring rate and free length.

For critical applications, presetting (compressing the spring through its full travel for a few cycles) is a standard step during the spring manufacturing process.
 
JBA said:
If you referring to wire coil compression springs, these will principally only lose their initial set (free length and spring rate) if they are exposed to extreme temperatures that can anneal the material or to an environment that is corrosive to their material.
The principal failure of this type of spring due to cycling fatigue is fracturing of the wire in one of the coils not loss of spring rate or free length; but extremely rapid cycling over an extended period can result in internal heating of the spring wire that can result in a loss of spring rate and free length.

For critical applications, presetting (compressing the spring through its full travel for a few cycles) is a standard step during the spring manufacturing process.

Thanks and appreciates!

It is a spring steel (compression), in high and rapid load-unload cycles (100ms per cycle and 2million cycles) and spring constant (k) is to be tested for each 100k cycles. (assume environment is ideal)

Since its load-unload, fatigue failure which causes fracture in the material itself might occurred. So, does it means spring constant should remained even fatigue failure occurred or ...? If internal heating exists, does the spring constant would have observable decreases?

Will spring constant fluctuates through cycles... or perhaps it is just the tolerance of data recording?
 

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First, if I understand what you have asked about a chance in spring constant after fracture that would not make any since the spring is now in two broken parts and spring constant is dependent upon the spring's total number of coils.

With sufficient internal haeting some portion of the spring could approach the annealing temperature of the spring alloy and this would result in a softening and loss of temper in the spring wire so there would be a corresponding loss of spring constant and could result in permanent deformation of coil in that region.

Quality manufactured compression springs are very consistent and repeatable in their performance, so I would expect any variances during testing to be related to the testing fixture and recording not to a variance in the spring itself.

While having said all of the above, there is no such thing as a perfectly manufactured spring so there can be some variance in the finished free length, spring constant and fatigue life between test samples of springs manufactured to the same design and specifications.
 
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