How would I go about creating a computer simulation for a Space Elevator?

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The discussion revolves around creating a computer simulation for a Space Elevator, focusing on the materials' ability to handle tension and the overall functionality within a gravitational field. Participants explore the feasibility of simulating various construction materials and the necessary calculations to support such a simulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in simulating the Space Elevator's functionality and material properties, specifically tension handling and efficiency in a gravitational field.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of "efficiently through the gravitational field" and suggests performing calculations on density, modulus, and tensile strength before simulation.
  • A participant acknowledges the lack of existing materials strong enough for the tether but emphasizes the desire to simulate different construction materials and their properties.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of calculating tension on the tether due to varying weights at different distances from the Earth's center.
  • One participant suggests that calculations may be more appropriate than a simulation and recommends using a spreadsheet to analyze loads along the elevator's length.
  • Another participant advises learning programming skills before attempting to create a simulation, indicating a significant time investment is needed.
  • Excel is mentioned as a useful tool for calculating forces at various heights along the tether.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that calculations are essential for understanding the Space Elevator's mechanics, but there is no consensus on whether a simulation is feasible or necessary at this stage. Multiple views on the approach to the project remain, with some advocating for calculations and others for simulations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of current materials and the complexity of the calculations involved, particularly regarding the varying weights of the tether at different heights. There is also uncertainty about the specific goals of the simulation.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts in engineering, physics, and computer programming, particularly those exploring concepts related to structural mechanics and simulations.

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I want to create a computer simulation of the Space Elevator, simulating if different materials would be able to handle the tension, and whether the whole thing would be able to function efficiently through the gravitational field.

Anyone how I can go about doing this, and what software to use? :/
 
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"efficiently through the gravitational field"? I'm not sure what you can mean by that.

Before launching into a simulation (which might only be a rotating disc with a line from it to a smaller orbiting disc, several radii distant(?). It would be an idea to do some calculations with density, modulus and tensile strength first. That would be what determines whether the thing would collapse or the end would go spinning off into orbit. Or was that what you wanted to simulate? Could be entertaining. You would have to be a but outrageous about choosing the physical properties for the tether because nothing strong enough exists yet.
 
sophiecentaur said:
"efficiently through the gravitational field"? I'm not sure what you can mean by that.

Before launching into a simulation (which might only be a rotating disc with a line from it to a smaller orbiting disc, several radii distant(?). It would be an idea to do some calculations with density, modulus and tensile strength first. That would be what determines whether the thing would collapse or the end would go spinning off into orbit. Or was that what you wanted to simulate? Could be entertaining. You would have to be a but outrageous about choosing the physical properties for the tether because nothing strong enough exists yet.

That's exactly it, I know nothing strong enough exists for the tether, but basically I want to create a simulation for different construction materials, [of course I plan on working out the properties such as tensile stress, density and modulus]. I don't really mind if the simulation doesn't actually show the end go spinning off into orbit. I just want it to display the reason certain materials would not work in the simulation.

I think I need to state that I am 17 years old heading into my second year of College, this is a completely new world I am exploring but this is a little project I set myself as I'm very interested in it.
 
I should have thought that you need a calculation rather than a simulation. You may find calculating the tension on the tether a bit hard as each piece will have a different weight (the more distant parts being around 40Mm from the Earth's centre. Have you any Calculus?
 
Start by learning to program. Come back in 2-3 years. I'm sorry, I cannot be more constructive on this. That's pretty much how it is if you want to be able to simulate something.
 
sophiecentaur said:
I should have thought that you need a calculation rather than a simulation. You may find calculating the tension on the tether a bit hard as each piece will have a different weight (the more distant parts being around 40Mm from the Earth's centre. Have you any Calculus?
I agree that a calculation is what is needed. You can easily use a spreadsheet to calculate loads at regular intervals along the length of the elevator. I wouldn't even bother with the anchor: just assume the end is attached to "something" in geostationary orbit. This will give you an ide of the kind of strength to weight ratio needed.
 
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Excel. Of course. It's what I do often for that sort of problem. Just think of a suitable expression for the forces on one piece at a height of, say 10km and then replicate 4,000 times.
 

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