I am interested in disinterested knowledge

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The discussion centers around the concept of disinterested knowledge, exploring its definition, implications, and significance in the pursuit of understanding and self-actualization. Participants engage with the idea of knowledge sought for its own sake, contrasting it with instrumental or applied knowledge, and consider its role in personal development and creativity.

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  • One participant describes disinterested knowledge as an intrinsic value and compares it to pure research, emphasizing its pursuit for the sake of knowledge itself.
  • Another participant questions the existence of disinterested knowledge, suggesting that if one becomes interested in it, it ceases to be disinterested.
  • A participant argues that the search for new knowledge is crucial and that exploring beyond familiar topics can lead to self-discovery and understanding.
  • There are reflections on how hobbies and personal interests contribute to individuality and self-understanding, linking these to the pursuit of disinterested knowledge.
  • One participant advocates for developing an intellectual life focused on curiosity, suggesting that disinterested knowledge can lead to self-actualization and enrich life.
  • A retired engineer shares personal experiences of discovering new understanding through disinterested knowledge, criticizing the educational system for hindering intellectual growth.

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Participants express differing views on the nature and existence of disinterested knowledge, with some supporting its value and others questioning its definition and implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact meaning and significance of disinterested knowledge.

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There are semantic nuances in the definition of disinterested knowledge that remain unclarified, and participants express varying interpretations of its importance and existence. The discussion reflects a range of personal experiences and philosophical perspectives without reaching a consensus.

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I am interested in disinterested knowledge

Disinterested knowledge is the energy bunny. It generates the energy for exploration and for overcoming some of the inhibitions consciousness places on the unconscious.

Disinterested knowledge is an intrinsic value. Disinterested knowledge is not a means but an end. It is knowledge I seek because I desire to know it. I mean the term 'disinterested knowledge' as similar to 'pure research', as compared to 'applied research'. Pure research seeks to know truth unconnected to any specific application.

Studying disinterested knowledge is like taking off a month every year to visit a strange new land. Curiosity is reinvigorated and new meaning is created.

Knowledge is like a jigsaw puzzle. We have created many puzzles in coping with reality and when we receive a new piece of knowledge that does not fit our present puzzles we forgetaboutit (Italian word for ‘forget about it’). However, if through disinterested knowledge we have created new puzzles within which the new knowledge might fit we might find a whole new meaning in life.

Our mind is constantly working for us and when we do not give it a worthwhile project, i.e. a new puzzle, it will just waste away in boredom or worry.

Instrumental knowledge is interested knowledge. Instrumental knowledge is the life blood of a value system that places the maximizing of production and consumption as “Number One”.

Disinterested knowledge is the un-knowledge, it is the non-instrumental knowledge. Disinterested knowledge is an alien and clumsy word in a society that places maximum value on production and consumption. Disinterested knowledge is not a catalyst of production and consumption but it is the catalyst of creativity. Disinterested knowledge is the mixing bowl of creativity.

Creativity is the synthesis of the known into a model of the unknown. The value of the unknown is yet to be determined. Creativity requires a comfort with the unknown.

Disinterested knowledge is a means to defragment your brain.

Have you ever studied disinterested knowledge?

Do you think it is important to love to learn?
 
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I'm not sure if this is what Disinterested knowledge means, but it makes me think of knowledge that no one is interested in. If that's the case, you can't ever be interested in it. Once interested, it ceases to be "Disinterested knowledge". So, does it even exist? Lol.
Steve
 
nickto21 said:
I'm not sure if this is what Disinterested knowledge means, but it makes me think of knowledge that no one is interested in. If that's the case, you can't ever be interested in it. Once interested, it ceases to be "Disinterested knowledge". So, does it even exist? Lol.
Steve

LOL that's true.
 
nickto21 said:
I'm not sure if this is what Disinterested knowledge means, but it makes me think of knowledge that no one is interested in. If that's the case, you can't ever be interested in it. Once interested, it ceases to be "Disinterested knowledge". So, does it even exist? Lol.
Steve

Disinterested knowledge is the energy bunny. It generates the energy for exploration and for overcoming some of the inhibitions consciousness places on the unconscious.

Disinterested knowledge is an intrinsic value. Disinterested knowledge is not a means but an end. It is knowledge I seek because I desire to know it. I mean the term 'disinterested knowledge' as similar to 'pure research', as compared to 'applied research'. Pure research seeks to know truth unconnected to any specific application.
 
It is unfortunate that everyone gets tied up in semantic quibbles. What is important is the search for new knowledge.

If we wonder off the beaten path we can discover what we have not ‘seen’ before. If we only study that which enhances our present state then we will never know what we don’t know.

Hobbies are ways in which many individuals express their individuality. Those matters that excite an individual interest and curiosity are those very things that allow the individual him or her to self-understanding and also for others to understand them. Interests define individuality and help to provide meaning to life. We all look for some ideology, philosophy or religion to provide meaning to life.

When examining psychosis the psychiatrist advises either the establishment of an interpersonal evolvement or for finding interests and perhaps new patterns of thought.

None of us have discovered our full potentialities or have fully explored in depth those we have discovered. Self-development and self-expression are relatively new ideas in human history. The arts are one means for this self-expression. The artist may find drawing or constructing sculptures as a means for self-discovery. The self-learner may find essay writing of equal importance. Consciousness of individuality was first become a possibility in the middle Ages. The Renaissance and further the Reformation enhanced the development of individual identification.

As technology developed there grew a further enhancement of the perception of the individual. It was in the Oxford English Dictionary in 1674 that the word “self” took on the present modern meaning of “a permanent subject of successive and varying states of consciousness”. “Self” as an instance of compounds with other words appeared over this period of time. Self-knowledge (1613), self-examination (1647). Self-interest (1649).

The word “individual” moved from the indivisible and collective to the divisible and distinctive. In this we see the development of an understanding of self-consciousness thus illustrating the dramatic change taking place in our developing understanding of the self as a distinct subject not just a cipher in a community. This was part of the Renaissance.

I recommend that each of us develop the hobby of an intellectual life. We could add to our regular routine the development of an invigorating intellectual life wherein we sought disinterested knowledge; knowledge that is not for the purpose of some immediate need but something that stirs our curiosity, which we seek to understand for the simple reason that we feel a need to understand a particular domain of knowledge.


I think that the world is full of things that have interest for me only because I wish to know and hopefully understand. Disinterested knowledge is non utilitarian knowledge that I acquire in the quest for self-understanding. Seeking knowledge based upon curiosity is, I think, an excellent means for self-actualization.


I think that the world is full of things that have interest for me only because I wish to know and hopefully understand. Disinterested knowledge is non utilitarian knowledge that I acquire in the quest for self-understanding. Seeking knowledge based upon curiosity is, I think, an excellent means for self-actualization.

Its good for self-actualization by self-learning. It opens up new horizons for intellectual development. It is to add spice and meaning to life.

Bingo! That is exactly what I mean. Follow your curiosity. To help in this quest I suggest that you acquire a "Friends of the Library" card from a local college. With this card, which will be a fee of about $25 per year, you will have access to all the books you might want when following your curiosity.

I am a retired engineer and have been doing math for years. Only recently have I begun to understand math. I have also been studying cognitive science and this has opened a whole new world of understanding. It is a real shame that our educational system has left us so intellectually handicapped and with such negative attitudes toward learning.
 

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