I hate all American cars because there ugly

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I love the corvette. Normally, I hate all American cars because there ugly, they drive like crap, and they break down all the time. But I went to the rev-it-up event at Fed-Ex field today where you could drive any chevy around a track. So I spent the entire day tearing it up in a black and silver vette. What a car, mama mia. Everyone should get one of these cars. I floored it to 45mph and then turned the hell out of that car in some hairpin turns. Aye caramba! Almost lost it a couple of times. You could feel the ABS kicking in as it was loosing traction on the turns from going so fast. Man, Jeff you are a lucky guy with that black z06....:!!) :!!) :!!)


http://www.carz4u.nl/carlist/Chevrolet/Chevrolet%20Corvette/slides/2006-Chevrolet-Corvette-Z06-SA-Speed-1024x768.jpg [Broken]

/drool :!!) :!!)

If they come by your town you better go drive that vette!

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Cars like this make you proud to say USA!

Finally the US is coming out with some nice cars. Chrys 300, Dodge Charger, dodge challenger. There idea of a car has been a box with wheels....:rolleyes:
 
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Never brake in the turn.
Brake before the turn accelerate after.

Nice car :smile:
 
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How about a b****in' camero? ;-p
 
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Sorry, camero is no CORVETTE!!

Yeah No time, I was braking first, then turning. :wink:

But I was going into those turns so hot I had to use gobs of brakes still! Well, I was trying to keep it going in the turn by both braking and giving it gas.

It even had a G-meter! on the heads up display! :!!) :!!)


Weeeeee. I'm going back tomorrow!

And driving the Vett was 100% FREE!

How could you possibly waste your weekend in a better way? Model Airplanes? Possibly....

Long time no see ape. I was wondering where you went :approve:
 
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Yeah, no PF access at work anymore. My boss decided that I shouldn't have access.
 
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Bout time you americans built a decent sports car!
 
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Andy said:
Bout time you americans built a decent sports car!
Are you sure they've built a decent one? Has it been tested against the european and japanese opposition? Have they since learned that roads are no longer roman?

Apologies for the anti american car sentiments but they are crap unless you plan to travel A to B on a geodesic.

Speaking of which where have all the english cars gone? :cry:

I suppose we can lay claim to the McLaren slr
 
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Ahahahah, no my friend. I was taking that thing around corners and trust me, it goes around corners. :wink:
 
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Ahahahah, no my friend. I was taking that thing around corners and trust me, it goes around corners.
Although, Ill admit this is the best car to come out of the US for a long time, and its fast as you'd like, and also rather a good car all round. It is not IMO a performance car, it will not, and does not corner anywhere near as good as cars in a similar class. However bang for buck its a good car...
 
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Although, Ill admit this is the best car to come out of the US for a long time, and its fast as you'd like, and also rather a good car all round. It is not IMO a performance car, it will not, and does not corner anywhere near as good as cars in a similar class. However bang for buck its a good car...
It's not a performance car?! By this time, it has been tested on many tracks against cars in its price range. It is much faster than all of them. The performance model (Z06) consistently gets better lap times than pretty much everything under $300k. You can argue that the Vettes don't give great driving experiences, but there's really no denying their performance. Nothing comes close for the price.

And as for the comments about American cars, Corvettes have been in production for 50+ years. They've almost always been fast. In every one of its 6 generations, you were able to option the car (at least in some years) to be faster (on a track) than most contemporary Porsches and Ferraris. And this was always done for far less cost. The experience was certainly different, but the performance has always been there.
 
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The thing churns out 400 Horsepower! Its a small car with a big engine! That is not what a performance car is all about! Its a muscle car! Compare that to the Porsche Boxter (Similarly priced) It has ~240hp almost half. It does about 160MPH The corvette top speed is 192mph (and it has 160bhp more than the porsche). The corvette does ~20mpg, the porcshe does ~30mpg...

That is why I do not think the corvette is a performance car.

If you want we can do a comparision against the Subaru Impreza as well? or the BMW M5?

As I said Bang for Buck its a great car. But dont kid yourself, it isnt a Performance car.
 
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The thing churns out 400 Horsepower! Its a small car with a big engine! That is not what a performance car is all about! Its a muscle car! Compare that to the Porsche Boxter (Similarly priced) It has ~240hp almost half. It does about 160MPH The corvette top speed is 192mph (and it has 160bhp more than the porsche). The corvette does ~20mpg, the porcshe does ~30mpg...

That is why I do not think the corvette is a performance car.
So performance cars should have poor performance? That doesn't make any sense. Vettes have power and corner well. Boxsters handle better, but the Vette will still be faster in almost any real-world situation.

As for your mention of top speed, that will be proportional to the cube root of the power for identical cars. They're not identical, but let's see how that prediction works anyway:

(160 mph)(400/240)^(1/3) = 190 mph

That's right around how fast the Vette actually goes. If you search around a bit, you'll see that both cars have identical drag coefficients. So Chevy isn't slacking there.

As for fuel consumption, (a) your numbers are wrong, and (b) what does that have to due with performance? The Boxster is rated at 20 mpg city/29 mpg highway. The Vette is rated at 18/28 mpg. Not much of a difference considering that the Vette is heavier and far more powerful.

Bringing in an Impreza or an M5 really won't help you're argument.
 
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So performance cars should have poor performance? That doesn't make any sense. Vettes have power and corner well. Boxsters handle better, but the Vette will still be faster in almost any real-world situation.
Quantify a real-world situation? I live in Brussels along with 2 million other people. in Brussels the Porches would murder the corvette, because there are loads and loads of corners.

Anyway I am not distputing that the Corvette is faster (in a straight line) I am disputing that it is a performance car. Its a Muscle car, it has a huge big thirsty engine and churns out massive amounts of horsepower. Proper Performance cars dont! Plus they can turn.

As for fuel consumption, (a) your numbers are wrong, and (b) what does that have to due with performance? T
Well I think that is where we differ then. In my view (actually most European car buffs view), I/we like to have small engines that can create higher road speeds and torque compared to its weight and V's, ie 'better' engineered and lighter engines. In the US historically people have liked MASSIVE engines that drink fuels like crazy, but churn out loads of HP.
 
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Quantify a real-world situation? I live in Brussels along with 2 million other people. in Brussels the Porches would murder the corvette, because there are loads and loads of corners.
Here in the US, we have an amateur racing organization known as the SCCA (Sports Car Club of America). I'm sure there are European equivalents, but I don't really want to search right now.

In any case, they have autocross/"solo II" events, which are essentially courses set up with cones in large parking lots, airfields, etc. They're designed to emphasize handling above all else, and are biased towards cars that are physically small. Speeds almost never exceed 100 kph.

Cars are grouped into classes for these events based on the relative times that they post on average. In this system, a base Corvette is in a faster class than a base Boxster (but the Boxster S is grouped equally with the Vette).

Well I think that is where we differ then. In my view (actually most European car buffs view), I/we like to have small engines that can create higher road speeds and torque compared to its weight and V's, ie 'better' engineered and lighter engines. In the US historically people have liked MASSIVE engines that drink fuels like crazy, but churn out loads of HP.
Corvettes have large displacement engines, but they are physically smaller, lighter, and cheaper than most "better engineered" engines with similar output. They also have flatter torque curves. All of the extra cams and such on European engines add size and weight that tends to cancel out any reductions in displacement. As I've mentioned, the fuel consumption on a Corvette is also excellent for its class. In all of the metrics that actually matter, the Corvette has a engine that will compete with just about anything (though I suppose you could argue about sound or throttle response).

I can't really understand not wanting power. Is a Porsche GT2 or Ferrari 430 a performance car to you? Your definition seems to depend on a lot more than just performance.
 
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I will concede, however that the corvette is great car, and its moving in the right direction.

The price tag on the top range one is 90,000E which is a lot more that I expected! But it is lighter than I was lead to believe (just been doing research on it :) )
 
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I will concede, however that the corvette is great car, and its moving in the right direction.

The price tag on the top range one is 90,000E which is a lot more that I expected! But it is lighter than I was lead to believe (just been doing research on it :) )
:surprised That's a lot more expensive than it is here.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
I love the corvette. Normally, I hate all American cars because there ugly, they drive like crap, and they break down all the time.
Mwwaaahh, it's sure is not too bad but in my opinion this car is a bit "over the top". Give me a nice Porsche Carrera...

marlon
 
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These are the Lap times that these cars recorded around the top gear test track in the UK, all of these times where recorded with the same driver.

Koenigsegg CCX (With Top Gear spoiler) 1.17.6
Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4
Maserati MC12 1.18.9
Ferrari F60 Enzo 1.19.0
Ariel Atom 1.19.5
Porsche Carerra GT 1.19.8
Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4
Ascari KZ1 1.20.7
Mercedes McLaren SLR 1.20.9
Ford GT 1.21.9
Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3
Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
Corvette Z06 1.22.4
Noble M15 1.22.5
Murcielago 1.23.7
Zonda 1.23.8

The porsche GT3 RS is over twice as expensive as the corvette at $160,000.

Would like to point out the the ariel atom and noble M15 cost less then £30,000 but are purpose built race cars that are just about road legal.
 
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marlon said:
Mwwaaahh, it's sure is not too bad but in my opinion this car is a bit "over the top". Give me a nice Porsche Carrera...

marlon
here here!!!
 
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These are the Lap times that these cars recorded around the top gear test track in the UK, all of these times where recorded with the same driver.

Koenigsegg CCX (With Top Gear spoiler) 1.17.6
Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4
Maserati MC12 1.18.9
Ferrari F60 Enzo 1.19.0
Ariel Atom 1.19.5
Porsche Carerra GT 1.19.8
Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4
Ascari KZ1 1.20.7
Mercedes McLaren SLR 1.20.9
Ford GT 1.21.9
Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3
Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
Corvette Z06 1.22.4
Noble M15 1.22.5
Murcielago 1.23.7
Zonda 1.23.8

The porsche GT3 RS is over twice as expensive as the corvette at $160,000.

Would like to point out the the ariel atom and noble M15 cost less then £30,000 but are purpose built race cars that are just about road legal.
I love that show... haha "the stig". Anyway, I read that Porsche is upping the HP on the Carrera GT to 950 or something ridiculous like that so that it can beat the Bugatti Veyron by 3kph in top speed. (Bugatti does 403kph I think)

If this is true... I think we'll see a new top time on the Top Gear test track... i mean, the current Carerra GT does something around 330kph... now I know that around the track it will never get up to that, but I am sure the acceleration will be better with the new version, coming out of those corners the stig will really tear up that track.

EDIT: i just read the top times again... i am now wondering if the porsche will be able to shave off 2 seconds with the new engine...that's a lot of time at those speeds.

EDIT 2: here's the link http://autos.canada.com/news/story.html?id=ddbe6425-3d5d-4698-8517-c5dcebf83f93
 
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900??? In a porsche GT... That would be insain! The GT weighs less than I do!
 
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It will NEVER beat the caparo t1 round the track when it finally comes out.
 
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NoTime said:
Never brake in the turn.
Brake before the turn accelerate after.

Nice car :smile:
yes for most drivers thats the safest way to do it
BUT some PROs still lightly brake after turn in
and get back on the gas again with a light touch
at the apex [mid-corner ] as soon as they come off the brake
note this not for street drivers or in wet or slipperly roads
over do eathor and there will be bad results

called trail braking

MR corvette Zora Arkus Duntov lived in our house in 1953 when he first joined chevy and I rode in the vetts he brought home to hide in our over size garage [a GM mandate to keep the custom vetts out of site]
 
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And guess what, the caparo is british. Not very practical though.
 
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marlon said:
Mwwaaahh, it's sure is not too bad but in my opinion this car is a bit "over the top". Give me a nice Porsche Carrera...

marlon
Only that the porsche costs 90k+ while an equivalent corvette is only 45k.

Now if your talking about big money, like 120K, then I would buy a Ford GT40 becuase that car is just godlike.
 

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