I have difficulty understanding Modulo ? What is its meaning?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "modulo" in mathematics, specifically its meaning and implications in arithmetic. Participants explore the definition of congruence in modular arithmetic, express discomfort with the concept, and seek clarity on its significance and visual representation.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding "modulo" and questions the introduction of the concept by mathematicians, wondering if it leads to any profound results.
  • Another participant suggests visualizing modulo arithmetic as similar to a clock, where time wraps around after reaching a certain point.
  • Some participants clarify that "congruent" in this context does not imply closeness but rather a specific equivalence defined by the remainder when divided by a number.
  • It is noted that two numbers can be far apart yet still be congruent modulo n, as the focus is on their remainders rather than their absolute values.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate how congruence works in practice, specifically using the remainders of numbers when divided by n.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and discomfort with the concept of modulo, indicating that there is no consensus on its intuitive grasp or visual representation. Some agree on the definition and examples provided, while others remain uncertain about the broader implications of the concept.

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Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of "modulo," particularly regarding its visual representation and the implications of congruence. There is also an acknowledgment of the need for clearer definitions and examples to aid comprehension.

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I have difficulty understanding "Modulo"? What is its meaning?

[tex]a\equiv b\left(mod n\right)[/tex]
means a is "congruent" to b "modulo" n
means a-b=knExcept accepting this is an equivalence relation, I feel very uncomfortable about "modulo" because of the lack of visual picture of this concept.
Everytime i have to move the "b" to the left side and see if "k" exists. This is very annoying and it totally shuts down my math intuition.
Why do mathematicians introduce this concept? Will it lead to any profound meaning/result? Also as "a" and "b" can be very far away, why use the word "congruent"?
 
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kntsy said:
[tex]a\equiv b\left(mod n\right)[/tex]
means a is "congruent" to b "modulo" n
means a-b=kn


Except accepting this is an equivalence relation, I feel very uncomfortable about "modulo" because of the lack of visual picture of this concept.
Everytime i have to move the "b" to the left side and see if "k" exists. This is very annoying and it totally shuts down my math intuition.
Why do mathematicians introduce this concept? Will it lead to any profound meaning/result? Also as "a" and "b" can be very far away, why use the word "congruent"?
"congruent" has nothing to do with be close. "Congruent" means "the same in this particular way" where "this particular way" is defined for that particular use of "congruent".

In "modulo" arithmetic [itex]a\equiv b (mod n)[/itex] if and only if dividing each by n gives the same remainder. [itex]7\equive 19 (mod 4)[/itex] because dividing 7 by 4 gives a quotient of 1 and a remainder of 3 while dividing 19 by 4 gives a quotient of 4 and a remainder of 3. We are ignoring the quotient and looking only at the remainder.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
"congruent" has nothing to do with be close. "Congruent" means "the same in this particular way" where "this particular way" is defined for that particular use of "congruent".

In "modulo" arithmetic [itex]a\equiv b (mod n)[/math] if and only if dividing each by n gives the same remainder. [itex]7\equive 19 (mod 4)[/math] because dividng 7 by 4 gives a quotient of 1 and a remainder of 3 while dividing 19 by 4 gives a quotient of 4 and a remainder of 3. We are ignoring the quotient and looking only at the remainder.[/itex][/itex]
[itex][itex] <br /> thanks hallsofivy. excellent examples and explanations.[/itex][/itex]
 

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