I have my acids and bases test tomorrow, and i with a few types of problems

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The discussion revolves around solving a two-part problem related to the pH of acetic acid solutions, specifically focusing on the calculations involved in determining the pH before and after the addition of sodium hydroxide (NaOH). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding acid-base chemistry.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (Pakmingki) attempts to calculate the pH of a 0.1 M acetic acid solution using the given pKa value and expresses uncertainty about their approach, particularly in part A.
  • Pakmingki calculates the Ka from pKa and sets up an equilibrium expression but arrives at a pH of 2.903, which they doubt is correct.
  • In part B, Pakmingki struggles to start the calculation after adding NaOH and mentions calculating the number of moles of OH- without clarity on its relevance.
  • One participant suggests that Pakmingki's approach is fundamentally correct and provides a BASIC program to calculate the pH, indicating that the concentration of acetic acid is effectively halved after the addition of NaOH.
  • This participant estimates the pH after the addition of NaOH to be around 3 and notes that the initial pH of the acetic acid solution is slightly less than 3.
  • Another participant questions the accuracy of the previous method for part B and proposes a different approach using a quadratic equation to account for the presence of neutralized acid (salt) in the solution.
  • A fourth participant suggests using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation for part B, indicating that the resulting solution will behave as a buffer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate methods for calculating the pH in part B, with some advocating for the use of a quadratic equation while others suggest the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation. There is no consensus on the best approach for part B, and uncertainty remains regarding the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential inaccuracies in the calculations and methods used, particularly in the context of buffer solutions and the effects of added NaOH on the acetic acid solution. The discussion reflects varying levels of confidence in the proposed solutions and methods.

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im looking at some review problems my teacher gave me today, and i can pretty much do most of them. however, there is this one i really have no idea what to do. Its a 2 part problem.

1a.What is the pH of a 1000 ml of a 0.1 M acetic acid solution, given pKa = 4.8?
1b. what is the pH of 1000ml of 0.1 M acetic acid solution after you have added 5 ml of 10.0 M NaOH, assuming net volume change is negligible

so, for the first part, i think i got it wrong. But here is what i did.
First i found the Ka with
pKa = 4.8 = -log[Ka]
10^-4.8 = Ka
Ka = 1.58 x 10^5

so then i wrote out the equilibrium reaction.
C2H4O2 + H20 > C2H3O2 + H30
where everything is aqueous except H20, and the products on the right side are - and + ions, respectively.
so then
Ka = [x][x]/0.1 - x, where is x is the concentration of H30 and C2H3O2.
solving for x gives 1.25 * 10^-3

so, [Hplus] = 1.25 * 10^-3 M
then, i did this step
(1.25 x 10^-3 Hplus ions/L) * 1000ml * 1L/1000ml gives 1.25 x 10^-3 Hplus ions

pH = -log[Hplus] = 2.903

i really need help, I am pretty sure i made some erroneous steps.

and for part b, i really didnt have any idea how to start. I just started by finding the number of mols of OHminus, but i don't think that does anything.
So, can someone help me do both parts?
thanks
 
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Hi, Pakmingki,
You essentially have the right idea. In part A, you obtain about the same result whether a more full quadratic form is used or the simplification. In part B, the concentration of acid is essentially cut in half.

This is a BASIC program which can give the results that you want; if you want a more full explanation, write a private message:
let Ka=1.58*10^(-5)
let M=0.1
'note, let M=0.05 if want to
'cut concentration in half, as if
'added 5ml of 10M NaOH

let x=Ka+sqr(Ka*Ka+4*M*Ka)
let x=x/2

pH=-1*log(x)/log(10)

print "concentration ";x
print "pH ";pH

END
You get a pH of about 3 for the addition of caustic soda, a pH of a bit less than 3 for just the acid before the addition of caustic soda.
 
Excuse me, but what I wrote for part B may be inaccurate. Better, to take this form instead for the addition of NaOH:

if x= molarity of hydronium,
Fs = formal salt concentration
Fa = formal acid concentration

x(Fs + x)/(Fa - x) = Ka

Now, just find x; this is a quadratic equation, so no real trouble. My little BASIC program is fine for little or no salt, but is not necessarily so good when a large portion of salt (neutralized acid) is present.
 

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