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The discussion revolves around the behavior of smoke and lighter particles in relation to gravity, buoyancy, and the concept of escape velocity. Participants explore the physics of how certain particles, such as helium, interact with gravitational forces and the atmosphere, as well as the implications for research in this area.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that smoke from lighters and cigarettes appears to escape gravitational pull, questioning the existence of lighter-than-gravity particles.
  • Another participant asserts that there are no known anti-gravity particles, suggesting that what is observed are lighter-than-air particles.
  • A participant explains that hot air from a lighter and cigarette is less dense than cooler air, causing it to rise and carry smoke particles with it.
  • One participant proposes investigating the gravitational relationship of particles to understand how difficult it is for them to leave the atmosphere.
  • Another participant states that helium can escape the atmosphere due to buoyancy, while heavier elements cannot reach escape velocity due to their mass.
  • Several participants discuss the necessity of a counteracting force to escape gravity, emphasizing that without propulsion, an object must achieve a certain velocity to leave the atmosphere.
  • It is mentioned that gravity affects all mass/energy, but its effects can be negligible compared to other forces.
  • One participant highlights that helium's stability and low mass contribute to its ability to escape the atmosphere, while denser elements cannot rise high enough to escape gravitational pull.
  • Another participant reiterates that buoyancy becomes irrelevant at high altitudes, and escape velocity is crucial for lighter molecules to leave the atmosphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of gravity's effects on various particles, particularly regarding the escape of helium and the conditions under which particles can leave the atmosphere. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as escape velocity, buoyancy, and the behavior of gases in relation to gravity, but there are no formal definitions or consensus on the implications of these concepts for research.

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I smoke. I like to lite cigarets with matches. It was long time since today when I used lighter to light a cigarette. Smoke from the lighter, smoke from the cigar, also smoke of the matches was escaping gravitational pull. I never saw any research made on lighter (synonym) than gravity particles. Is there any?
 
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No there are no know anti-gravity particles, what you are seeing are lighter than air particles.
 


The hot air produced by a lighter and by your cigarette is less dense than the surrounding cooler air. This causes it to rise and it carries the particles of smoke with it.
 


I would still go about that it is worth to check gravity relation of particles for witch it is 'harder'' to leave the atmosphere.

''how hard'' it is for a certain particle to leave gravitational pull of a certain earth☻
 
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Mihael@@/& said:
I would still go about that it is worth to check gravity relation of particles for witch it is 'harder'' to leave the atmosphere.

The only thing that would leave the atmosphere on its own is Helium. Hydrogen, the lightest element is too reactive and will form compounds that keep it in the atmosphere, and everything else is heavier than Helium or not a gas and will not escape. The particles of smoke will only rise so far before the air loses it's heat and eventually they will fall back down or get collected in rain or something like that.
 


so nothing can really escape gravity, not even partially?
there is no room for research?
 


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The only way to escape gravity is to provide a counteracting force.

Helium can escape the Earth because the buoyancy from the atmosphere allows it to do so.

Without a counteracting force (that is greater than the gravity) you cannot escape it.
 


Mihael@@/& said:
so nothing can really escape gravity, not even partially?
there is no room for research?

Gravity affects anything that carries mass/energy. It's just that often its effect is weak/negligible because the other forces present are simply stronger.
 
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Mihael@@/& said:
so nothing can really escape gravity, not even partially?
there is no room for research?

Without a method of propulsion, like a rocket, an object must have a certain velocity to get out of the atmosphere and escape Earth's gravity. The heavier elements never attain that velocity because of their mass. Helium however is the 2nd lightest of all elements AND is extremely stable. It does not form compounds with other elements which would bind them together resulting in a much heavier molecule.

In addition, anything more dense than air will NOT rise high enough to escape the atmosphere anyways.
 
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JaredJames said:
Helium can escape the Earth because the buoyancy from the atmosphere allows it to do so.
No, eventually it would get high enough for buoyancy to become irrelevant. It escapes because it has escape velocity because the velocity of the random motions is higher for lower mass molecules in air.
 
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russ_watters said:
No, eventually it would get high enough for buoyancy to become irrelevant. It escapes because it has escape velocity because the velocity of the random motions is higher for lower mass molecules in air.

Well, you learn something new everyday.
 

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