I think I just became a QBist ?

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The discussion revolves around the QBist interpretation of quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to its comparison with other interpretations such as the Copenhagen interpretation and Rovelli's Relational Quantum Mechanics. Participants explore the implications of QBism on the understanding of quantum nonlocality and the nature of reality as described by quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses enthusiasm for QBism, suggesting it resolves many paradoxes in quantum mechanics and draws parallels with Rovelli's ideas.
  • Another participant critiques QBism, arguing that epistemic interpretations of quantum mechanics are inherently incomplete and cautioning against viewing them as final statements about reality.
  • A critique of QBism is presented, highlighting that it does not distinguish between observers and systems, which raises questions about the operational implementation of its assumptions.
  • Discussion includes reflections on the deterministic nature of the Schrödinger equation contrasted with the non-deterministic outcomes observed in quantum mechanics.
  • One participant questions the implications of Bayes' rule in relation to Bayesian updating.
  • References to previous discussions and papers related to QBism and relational interpretations are made, indicating ongoing interest in these topics.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about their identification as a "QBist," suggesting a lack of commitment to the label after engaging with the material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement, with some supporting QBism as a valuable interpretation while others challenge its completeness and implications for understanding reality. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the merits and limitations of QBism compared to other interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion touches on complex philosophical and technical aspects of quantum mechanics, with references to various interpretations that may not be universally accepted or understood. The critiques and comparisons presented highlight the ongoing debates within the field.

  • #91
marcus said:
I recall that the "updating" idea arose our discussion of the Rovelli Smerlak paper some time ago. Each observer has his own Hilbertspace to keep track of his information and updating is not something catastrophic that the world does, it is just something he does in his own file system to stay au courant.

You are on a different schedule from me, Atyy. You already understand QB interpretation and are starting to critique it and consider antecedents alternatives and improvements. I basically want to understand better, especially what Mermin is saying.

We have these two recent papers that Rep mentioned:
November FMS http://arxiv.org/abs/1311.5253
December Mermin http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.7825
That defines what QB is, for me, and what I want to concentrate on.

When Mermin talks about probability he refers to Bruno de Finetti:
[[That probabilities are personal judgments was put most forcibly by Bruno de Finetti, and if “B” has to stand for anything I would expand “QBism” to “Quantum Brunoism.”]]
I believe in this case it is the personal judgements of a rational bettor. What wagers would an ideal rational Bookie consider fair? He mentions is the concept of a "Dutch Book" which I suspect is where a good bookie writes down the odds at which to buy and sell bets.

No, if you read my post #89 it is my summary of QBism you asked for. I simply dislike Mermin's writing about it. I believe the review by Fuchs and Schack I linked to is a far better exposition of QBism. The statistical method of Bayesian inference I mentioned is based in large part on de Finetti's work, and the formal notion of Bayesian coherence I mentioned is de Finetti's. The Dutch Book example is a famous example illustrating Bayesian coherence.
 
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It has been recommended that we close all the threads about QM interpretations in order to be coherent with the closure of the spawned thread.
 
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