Iapetus equatorial ridge fell from the skies

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The discussion centers on the formation of the equatorial ridge on Iapetus, a moon of Saturn, exploring theories related to its origin, including the possibility of an exogenic formation due to a planetary collision. Participants also delve into the implications of such a collision on Iapetus' orbit and the stability of ring systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the equatorial ridge on Iapetus formed from material ejected during a collision with another large planetary body, similar to the formation of Earth's moon.
  • Others discuss the instability of ring systems, mentioning factors like viscous spreading and tidal friction, which can affect the fate of ring material.
  • A participant questions the factors affecting the Roche limit, suggesting that a planet's size and gravitational field strength could influence where this limit lies.
  • Some participants note that Iapetus' unique orbit, where one side always faces away from Saturn, is similar to other moons, but they express skepticism about the sources that explain this phenomenon.
  • There is speculation that the equatorial ridge may have been influenced by gravitational interactions with Saturn or other moons, particularly considering Iapetus' distance from Saturn.
  • Participants discuss the Roche limit's dependence on mass and density, highlighting that real-world calculations may be complex and not straightforward.
  • One participant raises a question about whether Saturn's rings are located inside or outside the Roche limit, leading to a brief clarification that some rings are indeed within the limit.
  • Another participant inquires about the uniqueness of equatorial ridges to the Saturnian system, prompting further exploration of this topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the formation of Iapetus' equatorial ridge and the factors influencing ring stability. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the origin of the ridge or the implications of the Roche limit.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of consensus on the exact mechanisms behind the formation of the equatorial ridge and the complexities involved in calculating the Roche limit for various celestial bodies.

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Moons of Saturn have always been mysterious. The Iapetus equatorial ridge is now seen as exogenic, according to these people:Discover_Magazine-Iapetus.
Researchers believe the mountain range formed after Iapetus collided with another large planetary body, similar to the collision that created our moon. The crash ejected material into orbit that formed a temporary ring around Iapetus, but the unstable ring eventually collapsed and smashed back to the surface, creating the mysterious mountain range.

A massive planetary collision could also help explain Iapetus’ lopsided orbit, and why one side of the moon always faces away from Saturn.
What makes a ring system unstable?
Also, the wiki says that equatorial ridges are unique to the Saturnian system.
 
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PhysicoRaj said:
What makes a ring system unstable?
There is viscous spreading(http://arxiv.org/abs/1006.0633), which is basically the rings getting gravitationally flattened like a pancake and falling onto the surface or escaping past the Roche limit(to eventually form moons), depending on whether it's the inner or outer edge.
There's also tidal friction, which causes the material in the rings to either spiral outwards(like our Moon does) or inwards, depending on the orbital velocity.
 
Thanks Bandersnatch. And what factors affect the Roche limit? Like if a planet is extraordinarily huge but has weak gravitational field, the limit may lie within the planet's surface..etc. I found this formula on wiki but it does not include the rigidity factor of the orbiting body
##d=1.26R_m{\Big({\frac{M}{m}}\Big)}^{1/3}##
 
and why one side of the moon always faces away from Saturn.

Like almost all the other moons in the solar system. (Hyperion is an exception, as may be Jupiter's Himalia group). I'm not sure I would take this as a good source.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Like almost all the other moons in the solar system. (Hyperion is an exception, as may be Jupiter's Himalia group). I'm not sure I would take this as a good source.

Hmm..Yes.. like all other moons.. you are right. But because Iapetus is further away from saturn than other moons, they might be thinking of low tidal forces incapable of reducing the rapid spinning(?) and the large impact craters like Turgis and Engelier, which might be signs of devastating collisions that slowed the moon down. The source actually says that the findings were published in arXiv:http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.2337
 
PhysicoRaj said:
Thanks Bandersnatch. And what factors affect the Roche limit? Like if a planet is extraordinarily huge but has weak gravitational field, the limit may lie within the planet's surface..etc. I found this formula on wiki but it does not include the rigidity factor of the orbiting body
##d=1.26R_m{\Big({\frac{M}{m}}\Big)}^{1/3}##

In the idealised scenario, as can be glanced from the equation, the limit depends only on radius and the ratio of masses, or equivalently, on the ratio of denisties(with radius changing to that of the primary rather than of the satellite). As you say, for a high denisty satellite and low density planet, the limit may lie under the planet's surface.

On the wiki page, you can find the derivations for two extreme cases of an ideal rigid and fluid body. The two differ by the numerical factor in the equation - 1.26 and 2.44. The actual non-ideal bodies will lie somewhere in-between.

Additionally, the Roche limit as expressed by the above equation concerns only bodies held together solely by their gravity. It does not take into account any other forces that may affect cohesion, so, for example, a human being within Roche limit of Earth(~27 000 km for a ~1g/cm^3 dense human body) does not disintegrate, as other forces than gravity hold his body together.

I've never seen the actual calculations for real-world cases, but I hear they're not trivial.
 
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Bandersnatch said:
Additionally, the Roche limit as expressed by the above equation concerns only bodies held together solely by their gravity. It does not take into account any other forces that may affect cohesion, so, for example, a human being within Roche limit of Earth(~27 000 km for a ~1g/cm^3 dense human body) does not disintegrate, as other forces than gravity hold his body together.

That really convinced me. So there is room for speculation that Iapetus ridge may have been formed by gravitational influence of Saturn or other moons. It orbits beyond Titan but it might have once orbited much close, so tides pulled down its spin, then something might have ejected it out.

Are the rings of saturn (or any other planet with ring system for that matter) present inside the Roche limit of the planet?
 
For Saturn, some of the rings are inside and some are outside. I didn't check the other planets.
 
mfb said:
For Saturn, some of the rings are inside and some are outside. I didn't check the other planets.

Ty. But why are equatorial ridges unique to the Saturnian system? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_ridge)
 

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