Ice Discovered on 24 Themis Asteroid

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The discussion centers around the discovery of ice on the asteroid 24 Themis, exploring the implications of this finding regarding the potential for liquid water and the geological characteristics of the asteroid. Participants consider the theoretical aspects of water presence, the conditions that could sustain it, and the broader context of asteroids in the belt.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants speculate about the possibility of liquid water at the center of 24 Themis, suggesting it could be seeping out to replenish the surface ice.
  • Others note that a subsurface water ice reservoir could exist without indicating the presence of liquid water, lasting for billions of years.
  • One participant raises the conjecture that tidal forces might generate enough interior heat to sustain liquid water, contingent on the asteroid's orbit.
  • Another participant argues against significant tidal forces affecting 24 Themis due to its distance from larger bodies like Mars and Jupiter, while also considering the potential for radioactive heating from certain isotopes sinking to the core.
  • There is a suggestion that many rocks in the asteroid belt might contain both water ice and organic compounds, although this remains speculative.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the ability to ascertain these conditions without proper surveys of asteroids.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views regarding the presence and implications of water on 24 Themis are presented, with ongoing speculation about the geological processes involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of their assumptions and the need for further exploration to clarify the conditions on 24 Themis and similar asteroids.

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http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/48174/title/Ice_confirmed_on_an_asteroid

Ice was discovered covering the entire surface of one of the largest asteroids in the asteroid belt. However, the most fascinating part to me is this:

"At the asteroid’s average distance from the sun — 3.2 times Earth’s distance to the sun — frozen water on the surface would readily vaporize, noted Campins. That means the ice must be continually replenished, possibly by a reservoir of frozen water within the rock, he speculates."

Could the asteroid have liquid water at its center which is seeping out?
 
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According to this article, a subsurface water ice reservoir would also last for billions of years, so the presence of liquid water in the asteroid would not necessarily be indicated by the surface ice:
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/48174/title/Ice_confirmed_on_an_asteroid
 
Obviously this is pure conjecture but considering the size of 24 Themis, wouldn't tidal forces alone be enough to create enough interior heat to sustain liquid water? (assuming it's orbit permitted this)

If not can we assume that a majority of rocks in the asteroid belt contain both water ice AND organic compounds?
 
At 3.2 AU, 24 Themis would orbit between Mars and Jupiter, i.e., millions of miles from either at closest approach, so not a lot of chance for tidal forces from these larger bodies affecting the asteroid. However, the asteroid is over one hundred miles in diameter. If it is mostly of an element with an isotope that would sink to its core and provide heat from radiation…just conjecture.
We can assume a lot of things, but until we do a proper survey of asteroids we will not know anything with certainty. Over the weekend I was wondering if microbes might be easier to find on asteroids than under 6 miles of ice on Europa. Assumptions are so tempting!
 

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