Idea find black holes using grav. lensing

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the idea of using gravitational lensing to identify black holes, particularly those that are very distant, such as 10 billion light years away. Participants explore the concept of light from stars being lensed around a black hole, potentially creating a superimposed image that could be mistaken for a single large star. The conversation touches on both theoretical implications and the mathematical aspects of gravitational lensing.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that distant black holes could create a superimposed image of many stars, leading to the appearance of a single large star in the sky.
  • Another participant notes that obtaining a clear lensed image is challenging, as lensed images are typically smeared out rather than appearing as crisp points of light.
  • There is mention of existing research and observations of massive objects using gravitational lensing, with references to specific examples like the Einstein Cross.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the mathematical relationships involved in gravitational lensing and how different sizes of black holes might affect the lensing effect.
  • Questions are raised about whether smaller black holes produce the same lensing effects as larger ones, given their nature as singularities with infinite gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the potential of gravitational lensing to reveal information about black holes, but there is no consensus on the specifics of how different black hole sizes might influence lensing effects or the clarity of the images produced.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of black holes and gravitational lensing that are not fully explored or defined, particularly regarding the mathematical aspects and the conditions under which lensing occurs.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring astrophysics, gravitational lensing, or the study of black holes, particularly in the context of observational astronomy and theoretical models.

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Ok I have this idea and i need you all to bash it so i can see what's wrong with it. Ok imagine a very very large black hole at distances like 10 billion light years, imagine that there could be black holes larger than we can fathom and imagine how many stars would lie behind such an anomaly, so all of these stars's light would be lensed around the black hole, now when that light comes to our eyes we would picture the light to ie.. left or right of the black hole eventhough it lies distinctly behind the black hole, and whether the starts lie more to the middle or not would change the light imaginary image to us ie.. the more directly behind the star the more to the opposite side of the star would the imaginary image be, so if you can see this picture that I am painting imaghine millions and millions of these star being lensed and all this light being superimposed upon one big area, the more stars the larger area they would be superimposed upon, so what you get IN OUR EYES is a HUGE star in the sky, a very bright light, with telescopes we see it and say wow that's huge like size of beeteljuice maybe, but i think that may not be a star at all, just the superimpositon of millions of stars that have all been lensed by a stellar black hole, so what I am saying is the mega stars in the sky very far away could actually be a guiding map to black holes, and mathematically I've played with the equations a lil you can actually dicern the size of the black hole via, light and lensing effects.

bash away, cause i know it's coming, just a silly idea i know but it's had my mind going into a frenzy lately, but i'll humbly accept any critism you have

another things, anyone very well gifted in the study of time know of good threads or want to share some interesting ideas of time?
 
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no idea? sorry to bug all of you.
 
No bug, imagination is a wonderful thing so long as it is educated with some knowledge. In this case the problem will be to obtain a lensed image that is a crisp star-like point of light, normally they are smeared out arcs or whatever.

Garth
 
woodysooner said:
bash away, cause i know it's coming, just a silly idea i know but it's had my mind going into a frenzy lately, but i'll humbly accept any critism you have

People are already looking for and have found massive objects using gravitational lensing. You can see some pretty neat pictures of gravitational lensing effects on line (Google for Einstein Cross, for example).

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/2000/03/

For an example of people finding black holes using gravitational lensing.
 
wow

thanx nate I've never looked or read about that just seemed logical that lensing effects of large stars could also be used with black holes, anymore information anyone has on the subject would be useful such as the math behind it, such as how much lensing maybe can show us the size of the black hole and so on, like i have a question, i would imagine not all black holes would lense the same is it the size that makes it worse or what, does a lil black hole do the same as a stellar black hole since they are both supposed infinite gravity singularities.
 

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