If sinh(y)=x, then, show that cosh(y)=sqrt(1+x^2)

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical relationship between the hyperbolic sine and cosine functions, specifically proving that if sinh(y) = x, then cosh(y) = sqrt(1 + x^2). Participants explore different methods to arrive at this conclusion while addressing the selection of signs in the exponential definitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in choosing the correct signs when manipulating the equations derived from sinh(y) = x.
  • Another suggests substituting x into the expression sqrt(1 + x^2) for simplification, but the original poster prefers to derive cosh(y) without assuming its equality to sqrt(1 + x^2).
  • A participant notes that for real y, exp(y) is always greater than 0, which influences the choice of signs.
  • Utilizing the identity cosh²(y) - sinh²(y) = 1 is proposed as a method to justify the positivity of cosh(y).
  • There is a discussion about the implications of selecting the positive or negative root when taking the square root, emphasizing that cosh(y) is always positive.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of starting from the definitions of sinh and cosh without assuming prior properties.
  • The original poster acknowledges the reasoning behind the sign selection after considering the implications of exp(y) being greater than 0.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to justify the selection of signs in the exponential definitions, but there are multiple approaches and perspectives on how to derive the relationship between sinh and cosh. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most straightforward method to prove the identity without prior assumptions.

Contextual Notes

Participants emphasize the importance of definitions and properties of hyperbolic functions, which may not be universally known or accepted at the outset of the discussion.

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if sinh(y)=x, then, show that cosh(y)=sqrt(1+x^2)

I know how to prove but i have difficult in choosing the signs.

sinh(y) = x = [exp(y)-exp(-y)]/2

there are two equations I can find

exp(2y) - 2x exp(y) -1 =0 OR exp(-2y) + 2xexp(-y) -1 =0

exp(y) = x +- sqrt(x^2 +1) & exp(-y) = -x +- sqrt(x^2 + 1)

if I select the signs of +

exp(y) = x + sqrt(x^2 +1) & exp(-y) = -x + sqrt(x^2 + 1)

then by substituting to cosh(y) = [exp(y) + exp(-y)] / 2

then, I can find the answer of
cosh(y)=sqrt(1+x^2)

But, what should I say to justify my actions of selecting the +ve sign.
 
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Why not just substitute [tex]x = \frac{\left(e^y - e^{-y}\right)}{2}[/tex] into the expression [tex]\sqrt{1+x^2}[/tex] and simplify?
 
Thanks, but I'd like to find cosh(y) without prior knowledge that it's equal to sqrt(1+x^2)
 
For real y, exp(y)>0.
 
Utilize the identity:
[tex]Cosh^{2}(y)-Sinh^{2}(y)=1[/tex]
Along with the requirement that Cosh(y) is a strictly positive function.
(Alternatively, that it is an even function with Cosh(0)=1)
 
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still don't quite understand
 
arildno pretty much gave you the identity that you need. If you need to prove it, Just replace cosh y and sinh y with their exponential definitions and simplify. Then isolate cosh y on the left hand side and it is clear. Basically when we take the final square root, one could normally argue you could have either the positive or the negative root. However cosh is always positive.
 
There are different ways to approach the title of this thread, depending on what you are given to start with and what constraints are imposed... which should include your working definitions of sinh and cosh.

Rather than merely proving an identity, it appears that the OP wishes to obtain the title by using the definitions of sinh and cosh starting from their definitions using the sum and difference of exponential functions. In addition, one might taking the point of view that one doesn't know at this stage any properties of cosh except for its working definition. So, it might be "cheating" to use any other properties of cosh which you didn't derive already.

cks, is this correct?

(If I'm not mistaken, my suggestion "For real y, exp(y)>0" provides a reason to choose the positive sign.)
 
Oh, I see thank you. Let me rephrase what you all said

exp(y) = x +- sqrt(x^2 +1) & exp(-y) = -x +- sqrt(x^2 + 1)

exp(y) is always > 0

so if we select exp(y) = x - sqrt(x^2 +1)

and most importantly , sqrt(x^2 +1) > x

so exp(y) < 0 which is false.

As a result, we have to select exp(y) = x + sqrt(x^2 +1)

The similar argument can be applied to exp(-y)

Thank you all of you, really appreciate that.
 

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