If the big crunch occurred, would time go backwards?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a hypothetical big crunch on the nature of time, particularly whether time would reverse or remain unchanged. Participants explore concepts related to entropy, the perception of time, and the physical properties of a contracting universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if a big crunch occurred, it could lead to a reversal of time, with events happening in reverse order, such as people "uneating" and "undrinking."
  • Others argue that the process leading to a big crunch would not necessarily affect the way we perceive time, maintaining that events would not roll backwards.
  • Entropy is mentioned as a critical factor, with some participants indicating that the concept of a big crunch would require a reversal of entropy, which they argue does not align with our perception of time.
  • One participant states that there is no reason for the thermodynamic or psychological arrows of time to reverse, asserting that the big bang resulted in a state of low entropy.
  • Another participant questions whether entropy could decrease in a shrinking universe, suggesting that if entropy were to decrease, it might lead to different physical behaviors, such as clumping rather than dispersing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the relationship between a big crunch and the nature of time. There is no consensus on whether time would reverse or remain unchanged, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the concept of entropy and its implications for time's direction, but there are unresolved assumptions about the behavior of entropy in a contracting universe and its impact on the perception of time.

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Causing people to start walking backwards, uneating, undrinking, undoing everything they've ever done.
 
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Yes, absolutely.
 
How would we know? Our future would become our past, and our past would become unpredictable.
 
Chronos said:
How would we know? Our future would become our past, and our past would become unpredictable.

i fail to see what you mean.. if the big crunch were a possibility then why would the process leading to it affect the way we perceive time? events would not roll backwards.. (i thought the first reply to dremmer's question was sarcastic, but i doubt your's is, so i had to ask..)
 
look up entropy
 
granpa said:
look up entropy

ok.. i understand that the concept of big crunch comes along with a certain flip of entropy in order to be valid and thus reversing its overall state from a thermodynamic point of view.. but that doesn't change the fact that time, as we perceive it, remains the same.. (we will still continue to struggle with the invariability of our own past and the annoyance of an unwanted future..)
 
No, there is no reason for the thermodynamic or psychological arrows of time to reverse. The thermodynamic arrow of time comes from the fact that we had (for unknown reasons) a big bang with much less than maximal entropy.
 
ima not sure, but doesn't entropy always increase, causing time to move in a forward way
if the universe began to decrease in size, that doesn't mean entropy does, so time stays forward :D
 
It depends on the physics of a shrinking universe. If entropy increases in an expanding universe, then it could be decreasing in a shrinking one. If entropy decreases, then things would tend to clump up instead of falling apart. Gravity would go up, which could bend space-time.
 

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