If x<1 what is the maximum value of x?

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The discussion revolves around the question of the maximum value of x under the condition that x is less than 1. Participants explore the implications of this condition, particularly in the context of real numbers and open intervals, and whether a maximum value can exist or be defined.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the maximum value of x could be 0.999..., but note that this is effectively equal to 1, which contradicts the condition.
  • Others argue that an open interval does not have a maximum number, suggesting that the supremum of the set of numbers less than 1 is 1.
  • It is noted that for any number a less than 1, there exists another number b such that a < b < 1, implying no maximum exists.
  • One participant questions whether the lack of a maximum is due to numerical representation limitations, suggesting that while no maximum exists, one could still conceptually state that the maximum is less than 1.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the validity of the question regarding maximum values in open intervals, ultimately concluding that the question does not make sense since no maximum value exists.
  • There is a discussion about comparing quantities in a different context, where one participant states that since "Quantity A" does not exist, it cannot be compared to another quantity.
  • Some participants speculate about the possibility of extending the real numbers to create a system where a solution might exist, although this idea is not widely supported or explored in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is no maximum value for x under the condition x < 1, but there are competing views regarding the implications of this conclusion and the nature of numerical representation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of such a question.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of maximum and supremum, as well as the unresolved nature of extending the real number system to potentially include a maximum value.

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It appears the maximum value of x = 0.999... . But 0.999... = 1. But max value of x cannot be 1 based on the criteria. What is the maximum value of x then? It's puzzling me.
 
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An open interval does not have a maximum number. We can say, though, that the supremum of the set [itex]\left\{x\in\Re|x<1\right\}[/itex] is 1.
 
It doesn't have one. For any a < 1, there is some b such that a < b < 1.
 
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Is it that it does not have maximum or is it that we cannot numerically represent it?
If we are asked to compare "the maximum value" and 1, we still say 1 is the larger number, won't we?
Thanks for the feedback.
 
I_am_learning said:
Is it that it does not have maximum or is it that we cannot numerically represent it?
If we are asked to compare "the maximum value" and 1, we still say 1 is the larger number, won't we?
Thanks for the feedback.

There is no maximum value. That is, there is no real number ##a## such that ##a<1## and such that ##b\leq a## for all ##b<1##.
 
micromass said:
There is no maximum value. That is, there is no real number ##a## such that ##a<1## and such that ##b\leq a## for all ##b<1##.

Thank you micromass.
I now get that there isn't any number which you can claim to be the maximum, because whatever number (<1) you claim, I always got another number (<1) but greater than yours. Since there isn't any number, the comparison cannot be done. But I have this gut feeling that even if we can't have any number as 'the maximum', we can still compare and say, 'the maximum' is less than 1.

If there is no maximum for such open intervals, is someone 'correct' to ask this question? If yes what is your answer?

Provided |x - 3| < 5
Quantity A: Least value of x
Quantity B: -2
Compare Quanity A and B and mention which of them is greater or if they are equal or if the relation cannot be determined.


P.S.: You mentioned 'real'. Is there a complex solution?
 
I_am_learning said:
Thank you micromass.
I now get that there isn't any number which you can claim to be the maximum, because whatever number (<1) you claim, I always got another number (<1) but greater than yours. Since there isn't any number, the comparison cannot be done. But I have this gut feeling that even if we can't have any number as 'the maximum', we can still compare and say, 'the maximum' is less than 1.

If there is no maximum for such open intervals, is someone 'correct' to ask this question? If yes what is your answer?

Provided |x - 3| < 5
Quantity A: Least value of x
Quantity B: -2
Compare Quanity A and B and mention which of them is greater or if they are equal or if the relation cannot be determined.

No, the question doesn't make any sense, since there is no maximum value.
In your second example, the "Quantity A" does not exist, so we can't compare it with -2.

P.S.: You mentioned 'real'. Is there a complex solution?

No, there is no complex solution.
However, I would think that it is possible to extend the real numbers. So we add new elements to ##\mathbb{R}##. Then we get some kind of new number system in which a solution does exist. This is in principle possible. But I know of nobody that has studied this.
 

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