Igma notation 2i-1 = 2n, for all n is an element of N

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The discussion revolves around the validity of the sigma notation expression \(\sum_{i=1}^{n} 2^{i-1} = 2n\) for all \(n \in \mathbb{N}\). Participants explore whether this statement can be proven or disproven, engaging in both attempts at calculation and reasoning about the expression.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the expression \(\sum_{i=1}^{n} 2^{i-1} = 2n\) and asks for proof or disproof.
  • Another participant suggests testing small values of \(n\) to determine the truth of the expression, indicating that if all tested values hold, it may be true, otherwise a counterexample would disprove it.
  • A participant provides a specific case for \(n=1\), calculating that \(\sum_{i=1}^{1} 2^{i-1} = 1\) does not equal \(2\), thus claiming it does not hold for all \(n\).
  • Subsequent responses confirm the correctness of the counterexample provided for \(n=1\) and suggest that the expression does not hold universally.
  • Another participant mentions a different formula, \(\sum_{i=1}^{n} 2^{i-1} = 2^n - 1\), implying it may be a more accurate representation of the sum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the expression \(\sum_{i=1}^{n} 2^{i-1} = 2n\) does not hold for all \(n \in \mathbb{N}\), as demonstrated by the counterexample. However, there is no consensus on the broader implications or the correct formula for the sum, as alternative expressions are suggested.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the notation and the mathematical reasoning behind the claims, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the general case and the alternative formula proposed.

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prove or disprove

n
sigma notation 2i-1 = 2n, for all n is an element of N.
i=1

N = natural numbers
 
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Rewritten using LaTeX,
[tex]\sum_{i=1}^{n} 2^{i - 1} = 2^n.[/tex]

Have you made any real attempt at this problem? Do you have a guess as to whether it's true or false? What I like to do on these types of "prove or disprove" questions is just plug in certain (small) values of n, and see if it works. If they all work, perhaps it really is true, and you should try to prove it; otherwise, it's false as you found a counterexample.

And once you find that it's false, can you guess a correct formula for the sum and prove that?
 


adriank said:
Rewritten using LaTeX,
[tex]\sum_{i=1}^{n} 2^{i - 1} = 2^n.[/tex]

Have you made any real attempt at this problem? Do you have a guess as to whether it's true or false? What I like to do on these types of "prove or disprove" questions is just plug in certain (small) values of n, and see if it works. If they all work, perhaps it really is true, and you should try to prove it; otherwise, it's false as you found a counterexample.

And once you find that it's false, can you guess a correct formula for the sum and prove that?

Here is my attempt at this problem:

n
sigma notation 2i-1= 2n, for all n is an element of N
i=1

n=1

1
sigma notation 21-1= 20 = 1 not equal to 21
i=1

n=1 is an element of N

Hence,
n
sigma notation 2i-1=2n doesn't hold for all n is an element of N
i=1

did i do this right?
 


Your solution is correct, although it's slightly unclear, and you should use more words to describe what you're doing.

You were trying to disprove
[tex]\sum_{i=1}^{n} 2^{i - 1} = 2^n \text{ for all } n \in \mathbb{N}.[/tex]
(It's much prettier in LaTeX; you should learn (at least by example) how to use it. [tex]n \in \mathbb{N}[/tex] is read "n in N" or even "natural numbers n" in this case. Click the images to see the code used to make them.) You put in n = 1 and showed that the two sides aren't equal; that is a counterexample, so your disproof is correct.
 


mbcsantin said:
prove or disprove

n
sigma notation 2i-1 = 2n, for all n is an element of N.
i=1

N = natural numbers

mbcsantin said:
Here is my attempt at this problem:

n
sigma notation 2i-1= 2n, for all n is an element of N
i=1

n=1

1
sigma notation 21-1= 20 = 1 not equal to 21
i=1

n=1 is an element of N

Hence,
n
sigma notation 2i-1=2n doesn't hold for all n is an element of N
i=1

did i do this right?
Yes, you did! Now what is your answer to the question?

And you might like to look at
[tex]\sum_{i= 1}^n 2^{i-1}= 2^n- 1[/itex][/tex]
 

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