I'm having trouble understanding exactly what energy is.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of energy, exploring its definitions, intuitive understanding, and its relationship with work and momentum. Participants examine energy from both mathematical and conceptual perspectives, addressing its implications in physical phenomena such as collisions and conservation laws.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that energy can be intuitively understood as the ability to make things move, questioning how this aligns with the formal definition of work.
  • Another participant agrees that both conservation of momentum and conservation of energy are relevant in collision scenarios, noting that work is done when one ball moves another.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the mysterious nature of energy, linking it to time and providing examples like E = hf and E = mc^2 to illustrate its complexity.
  • One participant clarifies that while momentum is often discussed in collisions for simplicity, energy can also be lost in forms like sound, complicating energy calculations.
  • Another participant describes the conservation of energy as a fundamental law of nature, highlighting its abstract nature and the lack of a concrete understanding of what energy truly is.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that the conservation laws are related to the symmetry of spacetime, suggesting a deeper theoretical framework for understanding energy conservation.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of both energy and momentum in understanding physical interactions, but there are multiple competing views regarding the nature of energy and its conceptualization. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the intuitive versus formal definitions of energy and work.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the relationship between energy and work in collision scenarios, noting that traditional examples often focus on momentum. There is also a recognition of the abstract nature of energy and the challenges in defining it concretely.

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I know the definition of energy mathematically and how to work simple physics problems using energy considerations.However, I'm trying to look at energy from an intuitive standpoint.So far, this is what I have...Energy is essentially the ability to make things move.Saying that something has energy is saying that it possesses some trait or characteristic that gives it the ability to alter the physical condition of something else. So saying that something has kinetic energy is saying is just saying that because this object is moving, it has the ability to make other objects move.But I'm not sure if this intuitive definition directly translates to the formal definition of the capacity to do work.If energy is the ability to be a force acting through some displacement then when a moving billiard ball collides with a stationary ball and makes it move is it correct to say that the moving ball did work on the stationary ball to get it to move?Since energy is transferred from the moving ball to the stationary ball work must have been done on the stationary ball right?The part where I'm confused is all the examples of work and energy transfers in my textbook involve some constant force pushing or pulling on something over a distance and all the examples that involve the transfer of motion by collision deal with momentum and not work?But that moving ball colliding with the stationary ball is a force which is doing work on the stationary ball right?so why is only momentum talked about for these examples and not energy?
 
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You can look at problems like that either through conservation of momentum or conservation of energy, if you want accurate results you usually have to model problems with both.

Your understanding of energy is pretty good, yes in situations like a billiard ball collision, even though you usually talk about momentum there, you are right in saying one ball is doing work to the other.
 
Energy is fundamentally a mysterious concept. Energy is closely related to changes in time. E = hf is one example. How fast a quantum wave oscillates (frequency) is proportional to how much energy it has.

Another example is E = mc^2 from relativity. When a particle is stationary, it's still moving through the time dimension. The "velocity" it moves at is c, the speed of light.
 
Your understanding of energy is quite good.
Energy like you said is defined as the measure of capacity to do work.(or to put in simpler terms to change physicak conditions around it )

The reason we usually talk of momentum in cases like billiards balls is because it makes problem solving easy.During the collision the momentum remains conserved .
However, in terms of energy some energy maybe converted into sound waves and it is very difficult to account how much useful energy was lost in this process.
Thats why we use momentum as in momentum conservation no such problem occurs.
 
I think this is a good description:
Richard Feynman said:
There is a fact, or if you wish, a law governing all natural phenomena that are known to date. There is no known exception to this law – it is exact so far as we know. The law is called the conservation of energy.

It states that there is a certain quantity, which we call “energy,” that does not change in the manifold changes that nature undergoes. That is a most abstract idea, because it is a mathematical principle; it says there is a numerical quantity which does not change when something happens.

It is not a description of a mechanism, or anything concrete; it is a strange fact that when we calculate some number and when we finish watching nature go through her tricks and calculate the number again, it is the same.

It is important to realize that in physics today, we have no knowledge of what energy “is.” We do not have a picture that energy comes in little blobs of a definite amount. It is not that way. It is an abstract thing in that it does not tell us the mechanism or the reason for the various formulas.
 
Fantastic post A.T.

Till now the only plausible explanation of conservation of energy and momentum has been attributed to symmetry of space time.

To be precise energy conservation law is based on tenporal symmetry.

An experiment perfomed today should yield exactly the same result as an experiment performed a day later.
 

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