Imaging the distribution of dark matter-anyone want to expand on this?

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The discussion revolves around imaging the distribution of dark matter, exploring methods and implications related to this elusive component of the universe. Participants examine theoretical and observational aspects, including the use of radio telescopes and the interpretation of light bending as evidence for dark matter.

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  • Some participants highlight the potential of the Square Kilometer Array (SKA) for advancing dark matter research, although it is not yet built.
  • A participant references a recent paper by Stefan Hilbert, which discusses a method for mapping dark matter using distortions in ancient neutral hydrogen radiation.
  • The mapping technique involves analyzing different layers of 21 cm radiation to reconstruct dark matter distribution, creating a "mosaic" image from multiple observations.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of dark matter and dark energy for modifying the standard model of gravity and matter, suggesting that these phenomena challenge existing theories.
  • One participant argues against the existence of dark matter, claiming that light bending does not provide direct evidence and expressing skepticism about the research in this field.

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Participants express a range of views, with some supporting the existence of dark matter and its implications, while others contest its existence and the interpretations of observational evidence. No consensus is reached on these points.

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Some claims depend on specific assumptions about gravitational effects and the nature of dark matter, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Their method sounds good for the SKA - which isn't built yet.
 
marcus said:
http://www.physorg.com/news85326859.html

just posted a few minutes ago

There was an IBM press release on the Square Kilometer Array (SKA) radio
telescope just last week:

http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/20724.wss

IBM said:
Astron and IBM Team To Help Research the First Origins Of The Universe


ASTRON and IBM to Collaborate on a New Customized Chip Design to Help Build the World's Largest Radio Astronomy Telescope.

Amsterdam, The Netherlands and Armonk, NY - 06 Dec 2006:
ASTRON, one of the world's leading astronomy research organizations, today announced a new collaborative agreement with IBM (NYSE: IBM) focusing on the design, engineering and manufacturing of customized, high performance analogue and mixed signal processing chips. The high performance, low power usage customized chips will be used in thousands of antennas as part of ASTRON's project to build a new prototype radio telescope called SKADS/EMBRACE, which will be the precursor for the world’s largest radio astronomy telescope, the Square Kilometer Array (SKA) radio telescope. Financial terms are not being disclosed.


Regards, Hans
 
the young researcher who made the map, Stefan Hilbert, is at the Max Planck Instutite for Astrophysics at Garching.
He was using an idea of how to "see" dark matter which was proposed by Metcalf and White, also at MPI Garching, in this paper:
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0611862/

A map was produced showing the [dark matter] mass distribution over a patch of sky about one quarter of the area of the Full Moon.

The method looks for distortions in the background of ancient neutral hydrogen (21 cm) radiation, from before the galaxies coagulated ("curdled"), at a time when the structure of the universe and the distribution of matter were more uniform.
Different layers of 21 cm radiation going back in time different amounts can be distinguished by their redshift.
The distortion of each layer is used to reconstruct the distribution of dark matter between us and the source of radiation.

The map or image of dark matter seems to have been synthesized from many separate observations by radio telescopes of this hydrogen radiation.
It is in a sense a "mosaic" because he used a computer to combine many different observations into one big image---that is AS IF it had been made by a very large radio telescope (larger than any now available).
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For us in the "Beyond Standard" context, information about dark energy and dark matter is of interest because
either the standard model of gravity (Gen Rel) has to be modified in how it behaves at long distance---to account for DM and DE effects---
or the standard matter model has to be supply, or be modified to supply, particles and fields to account for these effects.
The observed DM and DE effects present one of the main challenges which motivates beyond standard extensions of Gen Rel and QFT.
 
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marcus said:
http://www.physorg.com/news85326859.html

just posted a few minutes ago
It seems to be a widely spread misconception that the bending of light provides "direct" evidence of dark matter. An observation of lightbending only indicates that something has to exist which causes the bending (which does not contain so much information :-p ). If one then ASSUMES that the lightbending is due to gravitation, one could infer the presence of unseen (dark) matter. Direct evidence of dark matter should be that one can interact with it, study it in particle accelerators, etc.
Personally, I don't believe in dark matter at all (see http://home.online.no/~avannieu/darkmatter/ ). The desperate and incredable research going on in this field will later be considered as the biggest historical scientific blunder of all times.
 
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