Imitating ice for room-temp experiments

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The discussion revolves around simulating extraction methods for asteroid mining, specifically focusing on the separation of materials using centripetal force. Participants explore ideas for separating ice from other mined materials and seek solid materials at room temperature with a density similar to ice.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using centripetal force to separate materials based on density, specifically aiming to extract ice from mined materials.
  • Another participant suggests that the process might involve centrifuging the mix until increased pressure melts the ice.
  • A participant questions the effectiveness of separation if the materials are not in a fluid state, noting that simply whirling dirt will not lead to separation.
  • Suggestions for materials that are solid at room temperature but have a density similar to ice include plastic (especially LDPE) and wood.
  • There is a proposal to use small uniform spheres of different materials in the centrifuge to enhance separation.
  • Another participant mentions that manipulating the shape of objects could facilitate sorting, and introduces the idea of shaking as a method for separation, although it may also separate by size.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas and suggestions, but there is no consensus on the most effective methods for achieving the desired separation or the best materials to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the state of materials (solid vs. fluid) and the effectiveness of different separation techniques.

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Hello!

I'm trying to come up with ideas for ways to simulate extraction methods for asteroid mining. I've got a few ideas based off of internet & database searches, and have an idea I'd like to work on. It involves the separation of materials using centripetal force. Materials would separate into layers based off of their density, right?

The first thing that I'd like to try to separate is ice from the rest of the mined material. I'm looking for materials that are solid at room temperature but have a similar density to ice. Any suggestions?

Any suggestions for other aspects of the experiment would be appreciated as well.
 
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Presumably the idea is to centrifuge the mix until the increased pressure melts the ice?
 
frankdoc said:
Materials would separate into layers based off of their density, right?
If they are liquids, gases or you have some other way to keep them in motion (maybe air flow inside?). If you just take some dirt and whirl it around, it will not separate into anything.

I'm looking for materials that are solid at room temperature but have a similar density to ice.
Plastic (especially LDPE) and wood, see Wikipedia.
 
Is there some way to make the material more fluid so that they do separate, even as solids? For instance, what if I used small uniform spheres of different material in the centrifuge?
 
If you manipulate the shape of all objects, it is easier to sort them in that step instead of changing their shape.
Shaking would be another concept, but it tends to separate objects by size, too (could be useful or bad, no idea).
 

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