My husband and I frequestly have arguements about physics when we are both intoxicated. Needless to say neither of us really have anything but a basic, basic, basic, understanding of physics much less astro-physics and the nature of the way things work. That said, may I introduce my husband who has a question for any of those who choose to answer him/school him. "How can we gauge the mass of a star when we we cannot get close enough to the star with out any matrials availble to man on earth obliterated by the star that is being studied." -reinterpreted quote from wife, from husband. Please for love of anything that is, please describe all and any technological advances that we have made over the past 400 years, up to any mathmatical equasions that will prove your point. This has gone well beyond the scope of simple drunken physics arguements, and I seriously need everyones help to open his mind to the abilities of man and astrophysics.