In proof of SQRT(2) is irrational, why can't a,b both be even

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The discussion centers on the proof of the irrationality of √2, specifically addressing why both integers a and b cannot be even in the rational representation a/b. The proof demonstrates that if both a and b are even, they can be expressed as 2c and 2d, respectively, leading to an infinite regression of even integers, which contradicts the finite nature of natural numbers. This contradiction arises from the assumption that a/b is in its lowest terms, necessitating that at least one of a or b must be odd. The conclusion reinforces that no integers a and b can exist such that √2 = a/b under these conditions.

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In the classic proof of irrationality of SQRT(2) we assume that it can be represented by a rational number,a/b where a, b are integers. This assumption after a few mathematical steps leads to a contradiction, namely that both a, b are even numbers.
Why is that a contradiction?
Well you can say that the rational fraction has to be in its lowest terms;therefore either a or b or both must be odd.
However, that wasn't in the assumption(lowest terms). The assumption was just two integers a,b.
Why can't they both be even?
 
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In the correct version of the classic proof, it is assumed that a and b are not both even.
 
And the reason you want to make the assumption that both are even right at the start is...
 
The proof I use starts by assuming a and b are integers with no common factors i.e. a/b is in its lowest terms. Then you end up with a loop in which a and b always have a common factor of 2 - but this is impossible as the numerator and denominator would get smaller without limit. An impossibility for positive integers.
 
Thecla said:
In the classic proof of irrationality of SQRT(2) we assume that it can be represented by a rational number,a/b where a, b are integers. This assumption after a few mathematical steps leads to a contradiction, namely that both a, b are even numbers.
Why is that a contradiction?
Well you can say that the rational fraction has to be in its lowest terms;therefore either a or b or both must be odd.
However, that wasn't in the assumption(lowest terms). The assumption was just two integers a,b.
Why can't they both be even?

If a and b are both even, then let ##a=2c## and ##b=2d##. Repeat the argument on c and d, so we conclude they too are even. Let ##c=2e## and ##d=2f##...which are also even. And so on. This argument should keep going forever.

But here's the thing. The natural numbers have a minimum (namely 1). So we can't keep halving forever. At some point this process must terminate. This contradicts our original argument.
 
Thanks for the help
 
Another proof:

In ##2 = (a/b)^2##, assume that ##a## and ##b## have been reduced to have no common factors.
Then ##2b^2=a^2##, so ##a## must be even (contain a factor 2).
Thus ##a=2c## for some ##c##
Thus ##2b^2=4c^2##
Thus ##b^2=2c^2##, so now ##b## must be even also.

This contradicts the assumption that ##a## and ##b## have no common factor, so no such ##a## and ##b## can exist.
 
Just do this

Suppose $$\sqrt{2}=a/b$$
where
a=2^m c
b=2^n d
c and d are odd integers
then
$$
\sqrt{2}=a/b \\
\sqrt{2}b=a \\
2b^2=a^2 \\
2(2^n d)^2=(2^m c)^2 \\
2^{2n+1} d^2=2^{2m} c^2 \\
$$
thus
2n+1=2m
2n+1 is odd while 2m is even
an even number cannot equal an odd number
contradiction
 
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If you have never seen Vi Hart's videos, here is an amusing one on Pythagoras and the proof that 2 is irrational.

P.S. While you are there, check out her Mobius strip story of "Wind and Mr Ug"
 

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